Harry Potter vs Twilight Article: Bella Swan--Not a Mary-Sue

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posted by Ravenclaw2001

Let's just get this straight before toi go harping on my article because I'm a Twitard. Because I'm not. I'm just getting a little sick of Bella cygne being called "too perfect". She's perfect about to the extent that I am a Twilight fan. Which is to say, not at all.

OK, Let me tell toi a story about a REAL Mary-Sue.

Once upon a time, there was a girl named Anastasia B. Ana was in 6th grade, she was tiny for the age of ten (she skipped kindergarten), she was absolutely adorable, and she was in Gifted and 7th grade math. Boys all loved her, and she could crochet, knit, and she had perfect handwriting. She could play the clarinette well and she was an avid reader. She was also very religious and sweet, never disrespecting her friends.

Does Bella cygne seem so perfect now? And now let's see what Mrs. Cullen/Swan has to say for herself.

Once upon a time,there was a girl named Bella Swan. She was beautiful and all the boys wanted her. She was smart and was horrible to her friends. She could play no musical instrument, and her handwriting is anybody's guess. Her religion is not mentioned enough to stick in my head, and when she got a boyfriend, her Friends left her only because she left them. She relies on her boyfriend for everything, and when he leaves her, she jumps off cliffs to hear his voice.

Does she sound so Mary-Sueish compared to Anastasia? And here's the twist: Anastasia is an actual person. Mary-Sues aren't just in books.

Here's my conclusion:

Bella cygne was written to be perfect. The small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems and consequences, etc. were meant to make her perfect. She was written as a Mary-Sue, probably unintentionally, and yet failed miserably.

PS... to zanhar1: Thank toi for making that point in my original draft. I changed it and really appreciate the tip. Thanks!

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zanhar1 I feel like there are different types of Sues, some more severe than others. Like Bloom from Winx is super bad. Then there's your scenario. With Bella; while yes she does bad not perfect things she usually gets away with it in the end--a tell tale sign of a Sue. Another buggy is the fact that she's described as really pretty and smart and is really popular but then sees herself as socially awkward and anti-social when she is not. She has two men and at one point three fighting for her. Even though she blew them off her friends still seemed to come back to her. Not trying to be hateful, you have some good points, I just disagree.

luv_warriorcatz Bella is written no differently than the other ten thousand sues in The Pit (fanfiction.net). The only difference is that Twilight is published and acknowledged as legit novel, which is worse.

Ravenclaw2001 I agree. I think she's written to be perfect, which is even worse, but doesn't quite pull it off. Yeah, I see what I did wrong now zanhar1, I was just getting sick of people saying she was perfect. I DO think she's supposed to be erect though. She's just a jerk and can't quite pull it off.

Ravenclaw2001 Wow. I just realized that I stated my point like 3 times in that last comment :P. Thanks for the reviews! And, luv_wariorcatz, do you agree or disagree? I wasn't sure and I just wanted to know. Thanks!

Ravenclaw2001 Ok, I revised it. See my bottom paragraph. Thanks @zanhar1!

cassie-1-2-3 Stephenie has flat out said Bella wasn't perfect, which strongly implies that she wan't written to be perfect. I don't think there is any stronger source.

Ravenclaw2001 I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect, but all her writing shows that she was, and failed rather laughably. She seemed to be, and this article is written as an opinion for a reason. PS: People lie.

luv_warriorcatz To elaborate, Bella is the self-insert sue; the shy, modest brunette who likes to "read", preferably classic literature, and somehow attracts the hot guy, for some arcane reason. It's typical YA romance fiction. Now, Bella down, indeed, turn into a "perfect" sue after she turns to a vampire, which probably turned off fans.

zanhar1 @Ravenclaw No worries you didn't do anything wrong. ^_^ But no problem, and thanks for taking the tip. :D

cassie-1-2-3 [i]I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect[/i] Oh, my mistake, I got confused by the sentence "Bella Swan was written to be perfect." in the article. But this time, let's take actual evidence from the story and not just our imaginations. There's a quote by Bella at the very beginning of the first book that goes "I do a good job of blocking painful, unnecessary things from my memory." This quote alone is actually very contrary to "small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems [or] consequences" I guess Bella's horrible flaw here was not dwelling on bad things and not complaining as much as she could have?

FallingWitch *claps*

flaws in the GREAT harry potter

posted by mr-cullen

NOTE: copied from web site

How come moody see through the invisibility manteau in 4th an when it was supposed to be one of the Hallows.

How come all the order members apparate inside the hog’s head when the air around was supposed to become thick and Harry was not able to disparate from there.

One supplementary, also on the same night when children were evacuated from Hogwarts, how can they disparate all the children (again the same reason for not being apparating according to me.)

Why Dumbledore’s wand was not snapped in two when he was buried as it was tradition in wizards to snap the wand...

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Highest-grossing films

posted by sharon-sel

Avatar is the highest-grossing film of all-time, with a global gross of almost $2.8 billion, and ten films have grossed in excess of $1 billion. All the films presented here have had a theatrical run in the last twenty years, and films that have not played during this period do not appear in the chart due to ticket-price inflation, population size and ticket purchasing trends not being considered. Gone with the Wind—first released in 1939—has earned $3.3 billion globally when adjusted to contemporary prices, making it the best all-time performer at the box office.[10] The most represented...

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The pros of Twilight, written par a Potterhead.

posted by TheBreeze

Yeah, I know there's already one of these in this club, but I'm going to do another one. :)
Just a few points on certin parts of Twilight.

Bella Swan-
Oh dear me, Bella Swan. When one says her name, what comes to your mind? A young heroine? A clumsy sweetheart? ou perhaps a useless idiot?
For me, the latter comes to my head. I don't like Bella as a person, and feel she is lacking in certin qualities I admire in the hero of a story. But, why should the main character be a good person in order for the storyline to be good? I myself, am a huge fan of the Harry Potter books, do not like Harry himself...

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Twilight ou Harry Potter?

posted by slytherin713

Twilight ou Harry Potter? That's all I see here. And here are some "reasons" each of us came up with.
NOTE: I'm a HP fan, nothing against Twilight though.

Twilight
•Edward is hot.
ME: Umm...not really to me...wait..books ou movies?
•JK Rowling failed at love.
ME: Lily Evans gave her life for Harry, and lots more.
•It has a l’amour triangle.
ME: Well...HP has l’amour triangles too. Hermione, Lavender, Ron. Harry, Ginny, Cho. Cho, Harry, Cedric. Severus, Lily, James. And LOADS more.
•Harry Potter is only about a fairy tale. It has a boy who raises a stick in the air and never dies.
ME: Well...vampires...

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Bella's flaws and Twilight's plots

posted by slushie

People keep on saying that Bella has no flaws. What about being clumsy? They also say that she's codependent, and she's anti-feminist. Aren't those flaws?

I just don't get why people say that Bella has no flaws, yet at the same time, they point out her flaws.

Also, they say that the Twilight livres have no plot. Please tell me why they have no plot.

Twilight: Bella meets Edward. They fall in l’amour and Bella meets the parents. James smells Bella and wants to kill her. Edward eventually kills Bella and reverses the vampire transformation.

New Moon: Edward leaves Bella. Jacob is apparently a werewolf....

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50 Ways for a Harry Potter fan to annoy a Twilight fan

posted by twilightlover73

1. When a twilight fan says 'twilight rocks' say 'rocks made of twilight?'
2. Go up to a twilight fan, scream 'Bella! Bella! BELLA!!!! YOU'RE AWESOME!!!!' when they say 'I know right!' say 'Oh no I meant Bellatrix'
3. Ask them all questions about twilight that toi can think of. When they ask why say 'I'm doing a book rapporter on the most boring livres of the world'
4. Get all the boys and twilight haters (better for them to be Harry Potter fans) to start saying 'Edward, Edwardo, Eddibear, sparkle sparkle'
5. Say that toi hate Stephanie Meyer, she's a horrible auteur and her livres make want to poke...

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A letter to twilight

posted by twilightlover73

WARNING This article might be quite offensive to twilight, so if you're a fan of twilight (especially if you're one of these crazy fangirls) please do not waste your time to read this and comment. I know there's no point of me telling toi this because you'll read and commentaire anyways, but at least I tried.

Dear characters of twilight,

Bella, please get a life. When peoples' l’amour leave them, they try to stay strong and keep fighting for what is worth it like Hermione did. They do not curl up in the fetal position and go numb for weeks like toi did.

Edward, toi think you're hot when toi sparkle?...

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My honest opinion of Twilight

posted by KateKicksAss

I first found out about the Twilight novels about four years ago. I was at an event with a raffle, and I’d acquired several raffle tickets, and was looking through the raffle items. I came across copies of Twilight and Eclipse that were being raffled off. I’d never head of the Twilight Series before, as this was before they’d become really popular, and I loved reading, so I put my tickets into the raffle for Twilight.
I wasn’t really surprised when I won, since I’d put three tickets in, and only a few other people had entered.
I got accueil and began lire Twilight, and then when I was...

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Just remembered an article about a bet.

posted by sofiacalista

A few years back I read an article about Robert Pattinson and Rupert Grint and a bet.

Actually it's about what the loser got to do when they lose the bet rather than the bet itself(it was never really mentioned,anyway).

Here's what the article says:

Despite the chilly weather, we got to chat with Rupert while he waited for some friends. récent reports about this famous redhead stripping down for his upcoming film "Cherrybomb" had Rupert grinning, "No, actually it was really cool, even though that was a very intense kind of scary moment. I was nervous but everything came out great."

We quickly asked...

Harry Potter is the cure to a Twilight addiction.

posted by 11Anime_Fool

So, toi like Harry Potter? What about Twilight?
I've read (and watched) them both.
When I was twelve I picked up a paper back cover of "Twilight" at the airport for something to read on my plane ride home. I did become quite infatuated with the series, tearing through the second, third and fourth books. I went on this fan club on my old account (which I have long since abandoned) and talked trash about Harry Potter, and talked about how wonderful Twilight was. I talked about Twilight like it was my Bible, and mocked Harry Potter (which I knew suivant to nothing about). However, when I was thirteen,...

Dumbledore???

posted by spongebob105

Did toi ever think that dumbledore was useing harry potter? Well he did! As toi can see in snape's thoughts that he did. Dumbledore a dit that he was like a pig up for slauter! I mean who is mean to say that ou act twards that person. WELL HE DID!

He doesn't realy think about what would he feel if he was steping into his shoes. I mean come on. He thinks he so COOL that he has the elder wand. HE'S A NORMAL PERSON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

Well now getting back to the subject. Dumbledore is a MEAN person so if toi want to find out your self then go to chapter that says "Snape's Memories"
-Spongebob105

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Arthur Weasley vs Charlie Swan: Who's the better Father Figure?

posted by PotterLambert93

Arthur Weasley: Father of 7 kids, loves his wife Molly, works hard to make ends meet and never seen lying around the house like some Husbands, although low-income, he continues to be positive and happy about life, loyal, jokes around sometimes, there for his children, offers to be a father figure to Harry, never gives up, and [on a side-note] very accepting of others. He also gives conseil as well and doesn't let enemies get him down.

Charlie Swan: Has only 1 daughter, divorced and never thought on dating anyone else, when he's not working he either hunts ou sits all jour drinking bière and watching...

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FOTM December- Interview with KatiiCullen94

posted by GemonkDruid

She's pro-Twilight!

So yes... this is the interview I did with KatiiCullen94... enjoy! I added a few pics as well.

Her favori character: Jacob Black

1) What is your reaction for winning FOTM?

Well, I'm awfully surprised, and Happy. I've never won ou parcipated in something like this. Like I'm responsible for the FOTM for the Kristen Stewart Club, but I'm the Interviewer not the other way round. I diddn't think I was even nominated :)

2) Tell us about yourself.

Well, My name is Kaitlyn. But my nickmane is Keppie (K-Kaitlyn, E- Elizabeth, PP-Pead, IE- Cause it's cute)
I'm 16, And I'm Australian. That's the basics....

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One way Twilight SHOULD have gone

posted by KateKicksAss

**If Twilight HAD gone this way, we wouldn't have gotten past book one!**

Bella: *walking into Forks High School* Oh, look, that guy is kind of hot. His name's Edward? Oh well, who cares anyway? There's plus to life than hot guys. ou guys in general.

Bella: Oh, look, i'm really populaire for some reason. Well, these people seem okay. I'll be a good friend, and not ignore people ou treat them like crap, and DEFINITELY not ditch them to hang out with my some guy.

Edward: I l’amour toi Bella. Hey, wanna go out with me?

Bella: Um, creepy much? *sigh* Fine, i'll go out with you.

Bella: Okay, you're nice...

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Dear rabid fans

posted by Aquilia

Oh do toi not see, the language so cruciated,
par your most unfortunate attempt in grammars?
Do toi believe, for that moment that we're mirthed?
Well, then toi are as mistaken as the Balaclava Brits.

Don't toi see, your own insults to your common decency?
Do toi not hear, our desperate attempts to save your sanity?
I hope toi hear, I must hope toi see.
But I think, toi only see your vanity.

Vanity, vanity, everything vanity...
But then where are your humanity? The World wonder'd...

Dedicated to iluvtwilight, ellietwilight12 and every other rabid fan in the whole wide world. I plead to you: Stop this madness...

Inspiration: Alfred, Lord Tennyson; the Charge of the Light Brigade

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Reasons why toi dislike Twilight

posted by Drisina

Okay so first of i am going to say again i am a fan of both.But if toi would ask me what i like better i think it would probably be Harry Potter.But i want to hear out why do toi dislike/hate(tho hate it's to of a strong word for a book/movie)Twilight.I want solid arguments not such as : cause the vampires there sparkle , like this Twilight fans could just say 'because Harry has a scar' ou 'because they go to a school of magic' ou 'because all death eaters are black(mostly)' i mean these are arguments just so toi can say something.I tend to believe these days people hate/dislike Twilight just because others do.And i will ask toi nicely and be thankful if toi could tell me why toi don't like it at all/hate it.

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Letter to Smeyer/ Anti-Twilight article

posted by DracoLuver

Dear Stephenie Meyer,
First I would like to thank toi for taking the time to read my letter. It means a lot to me. In this letter, I would like to explain why I do not like the Twilight series and how it did have room for improvment.
The main problem I had with the series is how Bella and Edward's l’amour is shown to be ideal, when in fact, it's unhealthy. Throughout the books, we do not get any insight on their hobbies and likes/dislikes. The problem with this is that we do not know if Edward ou Bella share any common interests to be considered perfect for each other. In fact, they only had...

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All Twihards- PLEASE READ!

posted by GemonkDruid

Twilight fans, this is a débats spot. So DEBATE. There are a few issues I see at this spot concerning toi guys:

- Saying it's better because Edward/Jacob is hot

Okay, those kind of arguments are instantly invalid, coz beauty is subjective and depends on one's perspective. Also, can toi actually SEE what they look like in the book series? Nope. And the inside of the person is what really counts.

- Saying it's better coz it's a l’amour story

What Bella and Edward have is not love, it's infatuation. They only like each other because of how the other person looks like/smells. They never chit-chat like...

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Me and my friends' fanfic part 1 of many

posted by emilyroxx

When me and my friend Fiona were in the sixth grade, we decided to write a fanfiction about the Twilight characters going to Hogwarts. (We were both major Twilight fans then.) I wasn't the best writer in those days, so the beginning of the fanfic isn't great, but it gets better as we go along.
You'll notice that our seprate entries can get a bit confusing at times, and that's because we were écriture par e-mail because she lives six hours away from me, and we were just making it up as we went along. Fiona is écriture about the character Peace, and I am using the character that I use for EVERYTHING,...

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Wizards Vs vampires

posted by rangarajvignesh

The World is flat!
Well, I know toi question my sanity, now. Obviously, the world is round and that’s a proven fact, from the moment Galileo stepped out of his ship. And now, there’s a question again. Is the World really round? I hate that word, really. The word which gives rise to a lot of questions and seeks for explanations.
‘Imagination is plus important than knowledge,’ a dit a wise man once. And, it’s true. Well, toi need not be aware of the complications of four-dimensional l’espace fabric to accept this theory. What all toi need to...