Harry Potter vs Twilight Article: Bella Swan--Not a Mary-Sue

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posted by Ravenclaw2001

Let's just get this straight before toi go harping on my article because I'm a Twitard. Because I'm not. I'm just getting a little sick of Bella cygne being called "too perfect". She's perfect about to the extent that I am a Twilight fan. Which is to say, not at all.

OK, Let me tell toi a story about a REAL Mary-Sue.

Once upon a time, there was a girl named Anastasia B. Ana was in 6th grade, she was tiny for the age of ten (she skipped kindergarten), she was absolutely adorable, and she was in Gifted and 7th grade math. Boys all loved her, and she could crochet, knit, and she had perfect handwriting. She could play the clarinette well and she was an avid reader. She was also very religious and sweet, never disrespecting her friends.

Does Bella cygne seem so perfect now? And now let's see what Mrs. Cullen/Swan has to say for herself.

Once upon a time,there was a girl named Bella Swan. She was beautiful and all the boys wanted her. She was smart and was horrible to her friends. She could play no musical instrument, and her handwriting is anybody's guess. Her religion is not mentioned enough to stick in my head, and when she got a boyfriend, her Friends left her only because she left them. She relies on her boyfriend for everything, and when he leaves her, she jumps off cliffs to hear his voice.

Does she sound so Mary-Sueish compared to Anastasia? And here's the twist: Anastasia is an actual person. Mary-Sues aren't just in books.

Here's my conclusion:

Bella cygne was written to be perfect. The small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems and consequences, etc. were meant to make her perfect. She was written as a Mary-Sue, probably unintentionally, and yet failed miserably.

PS... to zanhar1: Thank toi for making that point in my original draft. I changed it and really appreciate the tip. Thanks!

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zanhar1 I feel like there are different types of Sues, some more severe than others. Like Bloom from Winx is super bad. Then there's your scenario. With Bella; while yes she does bad not perfect things she usually gets away with it in the end--a tell tale sign of a Sue. Another buggy is the fact that she's described as really pretty and smart and is really popular but then sees herself as socially awkward and anti-social when she is not. She has two men and at one point three fighting for her. Even though she blew them off her friends still seemed to come back to her. Not trying to be hateful, you have some good points, I just disagree.

luv_warriorcatz Bella is written no differently than the other ten thousand sues in The Pit (fanfiction.net). The only difference is that Twilight is published and acknowledged as legit novel, which is worse.

Ravenclaw2001 I agree. I think she's written to be perfect, which is even worse, but doesn't quite pull it off. Yeah, I see what I did wrong now zanhar1, I was just getting sick of people saying she was perfect. I DO think she's supposed to be erect though. She's just a jerk and can't quite pull it off.

Ravenclaw2001 Wow. I just realized that I stated my point like 3 times in that last comment :P. Thanks for the reviews! And, luv_wariorcatz, do you agree or disagree? I wasn't sure and I just wanted to know. Thanks!

Ravenclaw2001 Ok, I revised it. See my bottom paragraph. Thanks @zanhar1!

cassie-1-2-3 Stephenie has flat out said Bella wasn't perfect, which strongly implies that she wan't written to be perfect. I don't think there is any stronger source.

Ravenclaw2001 I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect, but all her writing shows that she was, and failed rather laughably. She seemed to be, and this article is written as an opinion for a reason. PS: People lie.

luv_warriorcatz To elaborate, Bella is the self-insert sue; the shy, modest brunette who likes to "read", preferably classic literature, and somehow attracts the hot guy, for some arcane reason. It's typical YA romance fiction. Now, Bella down, indeed, turn into a "perfect" sue after she turns to a vampire, which probably turned off fans.

zanhar1 @Ravenclaw No worries you didn't do anything wrong. ^_^ But no problem, and thanks for taking the tip. :D

cassie-1-2-3 [i]I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect[/i] Oh, my mistake, I got confused by the sentence "Bella Swan was written to be perfect." in the article. But this time, let's take actual evidence from the story and not just our imaginations. There's a quote by Bella at the very beginning of the first book that goes "I do a good job of blocking painful, unnecessary things from my memory." This quote alone is actually very contrary to "small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems [or] consequences" I guess Bella's horrible flaw here was not dwelling on bad things and not complaining as much as she could have?

FallingWitch *claps*

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It's Lust, not l’amour

posted by TeamSiriusBlack

Ok, well I’m getting pretty tired of people saying that Bella and Edward’s relationship is love. It’s not. It’s just lust. Let’s look at the clues:
-She sees him and thinks he’s gorgeous.
-He likes her smell.
-He’s a vampire.
Now, before I start écriture about these points, I would like to compare the relationship to that of Snape and Lily. Yes, they have never gone out but they didn’t need to. Snape met Lily when they were little. He probably thought she was pretty and developed a crush on her which bloomed into love. When Snape found...

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Twilight Errors

posted by Sophia21

Realised the points have little to do with plot, thus changed the titre to errors.

My apologise to Twilight fans if I'm a little too harsh, but I have reread the livres like twice this mois and it was a little exasperating. Not to worry, I'm currently rereading Harry Potter, so a plothole liste on it will be added soon =)

Ok, let's get started:

1.A hundred years of...nothingness?
Explanation: I don't expect science fiction livres to be scientifically accurate. But if toi plan your main character to live 100 years studying in prep forever at the age of 17, make the whole book plausible. No, just saying...

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It's Friday

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Dumbledore Owns

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vampires l’amour Twilight

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Harry potter questions and possible plot holes.

posted by goodtimes

I made a liste of combined and possible plot holes about Harry Potter. Some of them I came up with myself, and some of them I got from different places online. If toi can give explanation answering the questions ,do it please.
I purposely put in a few really really picky question because there are a lot of articles about Twilight like this, so I want to see how Harry Potter fans respond to the ridiculously picks questions. I'm not going to tell toi which ones they are, but they should be easy to pick out.

1. Why do the founders of Hogwarts have surnames? Family names weren’t...

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96 Reasons Why Twilight Sucks

posted by BedIntruder

95 Reasons Why Twilight Sucks
Opinion par BedIntruder posté 4 hours il y a

1. Bella is a perfect character (“Mary Sue”), which Meyer hides par calling her clumsy.
2. Being clumsy is not a flaw if Edward always catches her.
3. She can’t do anything without Edward.
4. And when he leaves she attempts to commit suicide.
5. Meyer is living out her own fantasies par écriture about Bella, who is clearly herself.
6. The livres aren’t well written, just because every other word is a fancy adjective doesn’t make it good writing.
7. All the rules Meyer sets for being a vampire are broken par the end of the...

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Why Twilight is better than Harry Potter

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Harry et Drago

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Response to 100 Reasons why Twilight is better then Harry Potter part 4

posted by luv_warriorcatz

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116. "BTW Twilight is the bestest film ever" I get really frusterated when soomebody compares the films instead off the movies. And whats worse is that toi arent giving any reasons. "Stop hating, pick-up Twilight, actually read it and toi will l’amour it and stop hating Twilight". Has it ever occurred to toi that twilight haters have read the whole series? Like me? "HP is all around boring and it is made for younger children". I dont understand how Harry Potter can be so boring. Maybe toi didnt keep up with the amount of action and romance and magic and the mystery. ou maybe toi didnt read...

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lucius_ malloy's Anti-Twilight Story

posted by lucius_malloy

So, once there was this girl - well, actually that girl still is - but anyway, this girl who we'll call Emma, for the purposes of now. (Well, actually, we'll call her that because it's her name. But toi get the point.)

Around two, two and a half years ago, when Emma was in sixth grade, one of her Friends - let's call her K, if she must have a name - was lire a book that looked rather interesting. It was black, with a shiny hard cover, and had an pomme on the front. It was called Houkutus, which translates to Temptation. Emma liked the name and thought it might prove an interesting read, but...

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Anti-Twilight Song Spoofs

posted by GemonkDruid

Too true!

I discovered these song spoofs in my écriture folder from my "Uber-Anti" stage, and I decided to share it with toi guys, for the sake of nostalgia and whatnot.

Dumb Isabella (spoof on Umbrella par Rihanna)-

You wanna be, a sparkly Meyer-pire like me
Maybe in your dreams, but never in reality
Until toi agree, to take my hand and marry me
And that's when you’ll want me there
to turn toi into a vampire
Because

[Chorus]
You’re a stupid Sue who wants us together
Told toi I'll be here forever
Said I'll always be your bitch
Took an oath I regret, toi crazy witch
Now it's raining plus than ever
But we’re...

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Twilight Is Just Fanfic In Denial.

posted by LoveforSeverus

Well I've been écriture a little fanfic recently and I realized that when I write fanfic, I mostly let my character's handle the plot. Whatever happens to pop in my head at the time, and doesn't go completely against the global, ensemble story line, gets put in the fanfic.
But Smeyer says that she wrote Twilight par just "letting her characters handle the plot". There par making it seem a lot like how, not only I, but other people, write fan fiction.
I decided to look up some reasons of what makes a good fan fiction:
"1. Choose the anime/manga/book/video game/movie toi want your fan-fic to be about." Vampire's...

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Why HP is Better

posted by LilRavenclaw95

Okay, my friend and I go to a school that has a thing called 'Lit Circles'. There's a liste of books, and Twilight is on there, but not Harry Potter. My friend thought this was totally wrong, and wrote a super long persuasive essay to our English teacher about it. This was all hers, and I can't take credit for how awesome it is :)

Why Twilight Should Be Replaced par Harry Potter in Lit Circles

Two livres sit on the shelf in front of you; on the cover of the first, toi see two pale hands holding a deep red apple. The seconde features a young boy on a broomstick, in midair as...

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Are we INSECURE~!?

posted by ryomaidol

My cousin says we, Harry Potter fans are insecure about this ranting. How should I respond to this?!

(I HAVE TAKEN THINGS FROM OTHER articles HERE, sorry if used without permission)

HERE IS THE ACTUAL CONVERSATION:

Kjerrimyr リョーマ Andres: says Twilight ang pasimuno ng mga JEJEMON (ANGRY) (Twilight started the Jejemon movement)
46 minutes il y a via Plurk · commentaire · Like · View commentaires on Plurk

** ******: weh? PROVE IT!!!
41 minutes il y a ·

Kjerrimyr リョーマ Andres: link wahahahah
33 minutes il y a ·

** ******: duh! nonsense!
23 minutes il y a ·

Kjerrimyr リョーマ Andres: haha Twilighters...

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20 Lessons Girls Can Learn From Twilight

posted by TeamSiriusBlack

I did not write this.
1. If a boy is aloof, stand-offish, ignores toi ou is just plain rude, it is because he is secretly in l’amour with toi — and toi are the point of his existence.
2.Secrets are good — especially life-threatening ones.
3. It’s OK for a potential romantic interest to be dimwitted, violent and vengeful — as long as he has great abs.
4. If a boy tells toi to stay away from him because he is dangerous and may even kill you, he must be the l’amour of your life. toi should stay with him since he will keep toi sûr, sans danger forever.
5. If a boy leaves you, especially suddenly (while telling...

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My Personal Letter to Stephenie Meyer.

posted by ABDCFan-

Dear Stephenie Meyer,

May I first tell toi that your 'Saga' is complete and utter crap. I also would like to highlight the fact that your 'books' are an insult to literature and vampires.
When lire them at first, I thought that they were quite good, and for a while I was a Twilight fan, but your fanbase has gotten huge, along with your head. This is one of the reasons I don't like Twilight. I've read other points on why Twilight and the rest of the 'saga' are bad, and I fully agree with the points raised. The points that I have read about have made me realise how bad Twilight and the rest...

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Scabior and Hermione

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HP World

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Breaking Dawn Premiere - Londres

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