Harry Potter vs Twilight Article: Bella Swan--Not a Mary-Sue

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posted by Ravenclaw2001

Let's just get this straight before toi go harping on my article because I'm a Twitard. Because I'm not. I'm just getting a little sick of Bella cygne being called "too perfect". She's perfect about to the extent that I am a Twilight fan. Which is to say, not at all.

OK, Let me tell toi a story about a REAL Mary-Sue.

Once upon a time, there was a girl named Anastasia B. Ana was in 6th grade, she was tiny for the age of ten (she skipped kindergarten), she was absolutely adorable, and she was in Gifted and 7th grade math. Boys all loved her, and she could crochet, knit, and she had perfect handwriting. She could play the clarinette well and she was an avid reader. She was also very religious and sweet, never disrespecting her friends.

Does Bella cygne seem so perfect now? And now let's see what Mrs. Cullen/Swan has to say for herself.

Once upon a time,there was a girl named Bella Swan. She was beautiful and all the boys wanted her. She was smart and was horrible to her friends. She could play no musical instrument, and her handwriting is anybody's guess. Her religion is not mentioned enough to stick in my head, and when she got a boyfriend, her Friends left her only because she left them. She relies on her boyfriend for everything, and when he leaves her, she jumps off cliffs to hear his voice.

Does she sound so Mary-Sueish compared to Anastasia? And here's the twist: Anastasia is an actual person. Mary-Sues aren't just in books.

Here's my conclusion:

Bella cygne was written to be perfect. The small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems and consequences, etc. were meant to make her perfect. She was written as a Mary-Sue, probably unintentionally, and yet failed miserably.

PS... to zanhar1: Thank toi for making that point in my original draft. I changed it and really appreciate the tip. Thanks!

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zanhar1 I feel like there are different types of Sues, some more severe than others. Like Bloom from Winx is super bad. Then there's your scenario. With Bella; while yes she does bad not perfect things she usually gets away with it in the end--a tell tale sign of a Sue. Another buggy is the fact that she's described as really pretty and smart and is really popular but then sees herself as socially awkward and anti-social when she is not. She has two men and at one point three fighting for her. Even though she blew them off her friends still seemed to come back to her. Not trying to be hateful, you have some good points, I just disagree.

luv_warriorcatz Bella is written no differently than the other ten thousand sues in The Pit (fanfiction.net). The only difference is that Twilight is published and acknowledged as legit novel, which is worse.

Ravenclaw2001 I agree. I think she's written to be perfect, which is even worse, but doesn't quite pull it off. Yeah, I see what I did wrong now zanhar1, I was just getting sick of people saying she was perfect. I DO think she's supposed to be erect though. She's just a jerk and can't quite pull it off.

Ravenclaw2001 Wow. I just realized that I stated my point like 3 times in that last comment :P. Thanks for the reviews! And, luv_wariorcatz, do you agree or disagree? I wasn't sure and I just wanted to know. Thanks!

Ravenclaw2001 Ok, I revised it. See my bottom paragraph. Thanks @zanhar1!

cassie-1-2-3 Stephenie has flat out said Bella wasn't perfect, which strongly implies that she wan't written to be perfect. I don't think there is any stronger source.

Ravenclaw2001 I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect, but all her writing shows that she was, and failed rather laughably. She seemed to be, and this article is written as an opinion for a reason. PS: People lie.

luv_warriorcatz To elaborate, Bella is the self-insert sue; the shy, modest brunette who likes to "read", preferably classic literature, and somehow attracts the hot guy, for some arcane reason. It's typical YA romance fiction. Now, Bella down, indeed, turn into a "perfect" sue after she turns to a vampire, which probably turned off fans.

zanhar1 @Ravenclaw No worries you didn't do anything wrong. ^_^ But no problem, and thanks for taking the tip. :D

cassie-1-2-3 [i]I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect[/i] Oh, my mistake, I got confused by the sentence "Bella Swan was written to be perfect." in the article. But this time, let's take actual evidence from the story and not just our imaginations. There's a quote by Bella at the very beginning of the first book that goes "I do a good job of blocking painful, unnecessary things from my memory." This quote alone is actually very contrary to "small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems [or] consequences" I guess Bella's horrible flaw here was not dwelling on bad things and not complaining as much as she could have?

FallingWitch *claps*

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Which is really great literature?

posted by SuperSnuffles13

I thought of a very wonderful quote. I'm not sure where it came from. I might have read it somewhere before. Maybe it is many citations brought together. Maybe it is entirely of my own creation. I don't know. Anyways, I find it to be very beautiful and thought-provoking...

"Twilight is a children's book poorly disguised as great literature. Harry Potter is great literature poorly disguised as a children's book."

I doubt I wrote it. I'm not capable of coming up with something so witty and beautiful as that.

Allow me to explain what it means. It means that Twilight makes people think it is great literature...

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Because My Taste In livres Is Just That Awesome

posted by LinaHarrow

Because My Taste In livres Is Just That Awesome

It's easy to point out the negatives in the things we don't like. Likewise, it's also easy to point out the positives in those things which we love. Difficult, it is, to accept the positives in that which we hate, and the negatives in that which we enjoy. Today, I would like to point out to toi solely the positives. And it's a good thing I like both things that I intend to praise because otherwise I might find this a difficult endevour to pursue.

In short, I'm gonna tell toi what's good about both HP and Twi. These might seem a bit repetitive to...

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25 Things that Twilight Needed to Become at Least Mid-decent

posted by GemonkDruid

(I didn't include plot, good characters, etc. because those are automatically included)

1. POTATO.
2. pirates
3. ninjas
4. An awesome pirate/ninja fight
5. Swords (preferably celestial bronze)
6. Closets (for Edward to hide deep inside)
7. giraffes
8. YOUR FACE
9. YOUR MOM
10. YOUR MOM'S FACE
11. Butterflies
12. Chuck Norris
13. Jet-packs
14. kittens
15. strip poker :D
16. hand lotion
17. Sue Sylvester
18. sherbet
19. 20 basson players :D
20. SNICKERS
21. Jedis
22. Druids :D
23. FREE ICE CREAM
24. A monkey called Jeeves who occasionally slaps Bella
25. YOU.

Edward versus Harry

posted by ilovereading

A lot of debates is going on about who would win, if Harry and Edward got in a fight ou duel.
This is understandable since it summerize the whole wizards vs. vampires thing.
I will try to be objective and analize their chances fair.

1.Physical abilitys
Harry is, besides his magic, a human. He trains Quidditch and he is not exactly out of form, but he just doesn`t have what it takes to break trees in half and stop rushing cars. He can die because of wounds.
Edward on the other hand, is incredebly strong and fast (and cold and never eats and we all know what he is - a vampire). He CAN break trees...

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132 Things The Harry Potter series has that Twilight doesn't:

posted by AprilCandy42

WTF?! Sparkly vampires?!

1. A decent plot.
2. A plot.
3. Character death.
4. Quidditch.
5. Voldemort.
6. Bellatrix Lestrange.
7. Severus Snape (The best of all)
8. Hogwarts.
9. Magic.
10. A wand.
11. An all-ages audience.
12. A writer who doesn't make her characters bitches.
13. vampires that don't sparkle.
14. Harry Potter.
15. Hermione Granger.
16. Ron Weasley.
17. The *very awesome* Weasleys.
18. Giants.
19. Broomsticks.
20. Triwizard Tournaments.
21. A lightning-shaped scar on the forehead of the main protagonist.
22. Draco Malfoy.
23. Real werewolves.
24. The Marauders.
25. The Order of the Phoenix.
26. Dumbledore's Army.
27. Death Eaters....

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Plot Holes in Harry Potter

posted by Renesmee_XD

Disclaimer:
The article is not mine I only used it cause everyone has always wrote articles aganist Twilight how about Harry Potter now
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I finished lire Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows a couple of days back. In my view, the book is much plus tightly written than the last two books. And that itself is a relief. Harry Potter, Hermione Granger and Ron Weasley are much better etched out in Deathly Hallows, and there are quite a bit of surprises, disappointments, revelations.

But when someone asked me today what I thought about it, I replied,...

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What I think of Robert Pattison

posted by Kersian

Okay so I've been hearing a whole load coming from a whole bunch of people, the majority being females, that Robert Pattison is hot. They say this like it is fact and when someone comes along and says he isn't it's like they don't get it.

They asked, "How is he not hot?" This is a plus formal format of putting it, but I got a whole bunch of responses which were very retarded. Well it has to do with personal preference.

So someone's opinion might clash with another person's opinion. Like how Twilight amoureux think in Twilight all the vampires really are hot. But someone else might come along...

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Bella is Messed Up

posted by LilysLittleTwin

Essay Three in my ‘What’s Wrong with Twilight’ ou WWT series, is entitled “Bella is Messed Up”. We will be exploring what is wrong with Bella par examining her choices and actions. I may later test her on a psychoanalysis test.

One, she is pathetically whiny. toi could open any page of a book and find one where she’s whining. TwiFans try to cover this up par pre-bookmark-ing a book at a page with a description of the setting (One of the so very few there are). She always begs Edward to turn her into a vampire, even when he blatantly refuses her pleadings every time.

Two, she is too...

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What's Wrong about 'HarryPotter vs Twilight issue'

posted by nessienjake

I don't mean any hate towards non of the series.
I just found it seriously immature how both fans of the series blame eachother.
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I went through many sites that are Anti-Twilight
and then I started searching for Anti-HP.
Ofcourse what I have saw was mostly twilight hate.
I find it very,very useless too have this 'debate' about Twilight vs Harry Potter.

As i also read most articles from this spot I have seen that MANY people here truly HATE twilight.
There's nothing wrong with it.
The only problem is that it is invading all the sites.

Most people from...

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The message Harry Potter leaves to teenager...(spoilers)

posted by Sophia21

seconde part of my review on both of the livres this fanspot is about.

Despite most arguments on how different both series are, they do have many shocking resemblances, specially in the bad message part. I hope that after lire both of this, suivant time a fanpick question of "Which is best" pops up, toi take a minute to consider your answer.

1. If toi have Friends ou people that care about you, there's no need for toi to have skills. Just let them sacrifice themselves.
Explanation: Harry Potter prevails against all perils not because he is a skillful wizard ou because he is smart. He prevails because...

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For People who think the Cullens could beat the Harry Potter Trio in a Battle...

posted by XDRoseLuvsHP

I know a lot of people think the Cullen family could beat Harry, Ron and Hermione in a battle. I have read both series, and I realize that the Cullens have super speed and super strength. However, I do not think that the Cullens would stand a chance against the Trio.

Let's look back at the battle history of each...

The Cullens:
- They defeated James in the first book. However, there was only one of him and there were five of them, I believe? So that really isn't saying much.

- They defeated a band of immature vampires with no fighting skills in Eclipse. They went in knowing they would win because...

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Attention HP HATERS

posted by nati30

Sorcerer's Stone

Ok, a lot of ppl here think Harry Potter is lame and boring and for dorks and is like dungeons and dragons and its for nerds who like to pretend to be wizards after school. Well, those people have not read the books. Of course, I respect everyone's opinion, even if they think twilight is better. But, dont choose before toi read both complete books. I mean Twilight is about two tenagers in love, but there's a catch, one of them is a hot and sexy vampire who sometimes has the urge to drink his lover's blood. That sounds cool right? Now, Harry Potter is about a young boy's battle against the evil...

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Mario beats all!!!!

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Twi-Hards Take a Beating

posted by HopeEve

ok so I found this stupid person listing all the reasons why twilight is better than twilight. so I replied to every single one. and this is her picture:

1. Robert Pattinson, can toi say HOT? And he's totally sexy when he sparkles!

So? Hotness has absolutely no correlation to jouer la comédie ability. He was also in Harry Potter first.

2. Taylor Lautner, I mean, have toi SEEN those muscles?

NOT HOT. Strange nose, closed up eyes and no jouer la comédie ability. That is just my personal opinion. As I said, hotness has no correlation to jouer la comédie ability.

3. Kristen Stewart. An extremely talented and beautiful actress,...

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Peace l’amour Twilight

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Breaking Dawn and Deathly Hallows

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Breaking Dawn and Deathly Hallows

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Keep Calm

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Twilight Funnies

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Don't walk away (Twilight-New Moon)

posted by HaleyDewit

Okay,first and for all,I am not a Twilight fan.But this song popped in my head and once I have a melody and words I just have to write it down.I didn't plan this.Well,despite the fact that I don't like Twilight,I still think it's a good song. (I hope I don't sound arrogant now)Please read it and let me know what toi think about it :) Even if toi think it's crap.

I got it all under control
I can keep myself together
I’m not gonna break down
I know this is for the better
I know I must let toi leave
But I’m not gonna stop these tears
I know I must let toi walk away
But my cœur, coeur will break anyway

‘Cause...