Supernatural Article: John Winchester is a bad father?

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posted by Kanza_Jamil

John Winchester, is pretty much like Dumbledore in this fandom. His curse was that he understood too much. he was too wise, too broken and too strong.

Everyone keep saying that John was a bad father because he introduced his sons into this life. but guess what?! he didn't! he didn't introduced them to this life, they were already a part of this life. They were meant to be.

As that Cupid said, It was a big deal getting Mary and John to fall in l’amour so that Sam and Dean are born to be Lucifer and Micheal's vessels to fulfill destiny of this world, the apocalypse, God's plan.

Even though John didn't know about the apocalypse, he was smart. Hell! he was the smartest person ever! he got into this life after the age of... what? twenty five? thirty? and he was still the best hunter there was! and that means beating a huge sum of hunters born into this life. He was great at joining dots and planning hunt so swift, so neat, so perfect.

So when John dug into find the reason behind his wife suddenly burning up on the ceiling of his six mois old son's room, he found out that his was not the only case there was. And that there was something bigger going on than he had imagined and his wife was just an offering to the way of it and his son, Sam was a part of it. and there was no way out.

John was wise enough to know he could not out run it so he stayed and learned to fight. He never knew what hunting really meant until he was way too deep in it. When the l’amour of his life burned in a strange feu on the ceiling, he was freaked out, he had no way of knowing what had happened, he had no idea how to fight it, how to save his family. He was helpless as fuck.

He didn't want to feel that unprepared ou helpless ever again. He didn't want his sons ever having to feel that unprepared ou helpless ever in their lives. So he made sure that his sons we ready for whatever comes their way, ready to protect themselves and their loved ones, stronger than he ever was.

because he knew it will come their way and there was nothing he could do to stop it, all he could do was to make sure that they were ready for it when it does.
John never had a father to montrer him how it was supposed to be like. He just did the best he could.

He went to hell to be tortured par demons with personal agenda against him for the rest of the eternity, just so Dean could leave a little longer.

Don't toi get it?! it's not just going to hell for his son. It was plus than that. Killing Azazel was all his life was about, his entire existence was about, not just for revenge but to make to sure that no other family has to go through what his family did, ever again. It was John's obsession. Just Sam is Dean's obsession (Sam and Dean's bromance is awesome and but it's not normal, it's plus than love, It is obsession).

But John gave it all up for his son, he gave up his one chance at killing Azazel right there, John didn't just went to hell for his son, he begged in front of Azazel, begged for death so his son could live. That naked defeat! It wasn't just giving up his obsession of twenty one years, it was bending his moral compass! The humiliation! When he knew Azazel was gonna kill plus people, destroy plus families but just so Dean could have another chance at life.

Yes Bobby a dit John wasn't a good father and that he, Bobby wouldn't have chosen this life for the boys, but he didn't understand that John didn't either. John didn't choose this life for his sons, he never had a choice. This was their life, their destiny, John just made sure they were ready to take it head on. And from where I see it, he did an incredible job at it.

Yes John let Dean, raise Sam but it was only because he, himself was too busy trying to figure out way to save them from their own terrible fate, maybe killing Azazel, killing the demon who started all this, would stop all this. So maybe, just maybe his sons wouldn't have to go through what he had always known, feared, they were gonna have to go through.

He couldn't save Sam and Dean from this life but he could save Adam, so he did. John wasn't a bad father ou a bad person, he was a very good person that bad things had happened to.

LowriLorenza89, girl_hunter88 and 4 others like this

Flickerflame A good defence of John, and a good explanation of some of his reasoning. I do think it was as much to protect others, and teaching his sons to defend themselves since he'd seen that standing out of it didn't necessarily protect people, as much as revenge. But I don't think he knew as much of the details of Azazel's plans/the forthcoming apocalypse as you suggest. Not when he first got into hunting, anyway. I think he learned that during season 1, when he was learning more about what Azazel was doing, or possibly not until he was possessed himself.

Kanza_Jamil John literally never did anything without a reason. Even when it seemed unreasonable. So there has to be a reason he was so over protective of Sam. Didn't want to let him go to college so kept an eye on him when he went to college. He couldn't have known everything but I think he knew enough..

Flickerflame I thought not wanting Sam to leave was just out of fear that he'd forget everything he'd learned about hunting, become rusty and end up a victim of some monster or ghost. Maybe he feared monsters would target Sam as they would see him as the weak link in the family. And in a way, he was right there. Sam didn't have any salt lines or devil's traps under the mat or anything like that. Compare how Sam was living to what we saw of Dean's life with Lisa between seasons 5 and 6.

WinterSpirit809 Thank you so much! You basically summed up my thoughts on his character! Sam and Dean were going to get into the hunting life eventually anyways, so I don't get why people say that it's John's fault? I actually think he was a good father. He wasn't perfect, of course, but what parent is?

girl_hunter88 John is misunderstood. I always liked him and all the Winchesters for that matter. Glad to see more people that don't just hate without giving it a thought

KevinHWoodward I mean. You can be well-intentioned and still be a bad parent. That happens a lot. Was John's behavior explainable? Sure. He's a very human character, and it speaks to the great writing on this show that his actions are justifiable if you see them from his perspective. BUT. Look at the relationship between the boys and Bobby. Bobby has the exact same motivations as John, the exact same exposure to the life, etc... Even to the point that he literally doesn't have the option to take them out of the hunting life, since their real father is the one making that decision. But Bobby is still a better father figure to the boys than John ever was. So was John a good father? Not really. Did he have his reasons? Yes. And it couldn't be any other way for the show to be good, but the complexity of the father/son relationships is part of what makes this show so great. Thanks for such a thoughtful article!

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What Happened in Colorado chapter 6 The Getaway (6/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

The feu was out and the firemen left when a familiar car was parked at the same spot the feu truck had been parked. The door opened and Zoey stepped out. She quickly walked up to Cas.
“What happened? Where’s Daphne?” she asked insisting. The man from Ethan Allen’s walked to his car and left. His colleagues had left the new furniture on the drive. Zoey looked at them. “What’s this?”
Cas smiled nervous. Since Zoey knew Cas smiled rarely she was immediately alerted. “Okay, spill, what did I miss?”
Cas coughed. “I might have done some regrettable things last night. And thirty...

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What Happened in Colorado chapter 6 The Getaway (5/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

Cas and the man from the furniture company waited outside while the firemen extinguished the fire. Taking advantage of all the activity Meg sneaked in through the back door. She walked through the cuisine to the hallway and upstairs.
She went to Daphne’s bedroom. There had to be something in here she could use against her.
She opened the closet and searched through the clothes. Every now and then she inspected a piece of clothing and if she liked it she threw it on the bed. She had to increase her wardrobe one way ou the other.
She walked to the cabinet and opened the first drawer. Underwear,...

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WHIC Chapter 3 The Bachelor Party (10/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

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Maybe he was too late. But Andy had called him only five minutes ago. Surely they would montrer plus patience than that.
“They’re not coming”
Cas turned around and saw Meg standing at a table, tableau in the left corner.
“You must be mistaken. Daphne’s cousin has summoned me here” he said. Meg shook her head. “No, Emmanuel, they played a prank on you” she said, while she slowly walked his way.
“Why would they do that?” Cas asked, sounding hurt.
“Maybe...

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WHIC Chapter 3 The Bachelor Party (5/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

Daphne searched the room for an escape, realized there was none and then laughed nervously at Cas. “Sweetie, why don’t we…why don’t we go upstairs and talk about this?” she suggested.
“Why can’t toi tell me right here? Is the truth so upsetting toi think I might do something to embarrass toi and myself?” Cas asked.
“If toi mean causing a scene, you’ve already done a great job of that” Daphne a dit and she took his arm. “Come on, let’s go”
She dragged Cas upstairs to her room and locked the door. She turned around. “This better be good, Emmanuel. Now tell me, what...

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WHIC Chapter 3 The Bachelor Party (3/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

When Cas and Zoey finally came downstairs plus guests had arrived. And among the guests there was a four an old girl. She had blonde, wavy hair, green eyes, chubby cheeks and thin lips. She ran towards Zoey and Zoey lifted her in her arms.
“There toi are, Poppy” Zoey said.
“Mommy” the girl squeaked, squeezing her chubby arms tightly around Zoey’s neck, suffocating her.
“Is that Alexia?” Cas asked. Zoey nodded and put her daughter on her own feet. “Say hi to Emmanuel, sweetie”
Alexia reached out her hand and smiled. “Hello, Emmanuel”
Cas accepted the tiny hand and Alexia...

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WHIC Chapter 2 Miracle Worker (3/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

Cas and Daphne were sitting on the couch, when Zoey came in. Cas quickly looked up, but Daphne kept her eyes on the photo album, lying on her lap.
“I see toi two are talking again” Zoey a dit and she sounded a little disappointed.
“I have no idea what you’re talking about” Daphne mumbled. She lifted her head and gave Cas a Kiss on the cheek.
“I saw Shannen in the bakery today” Zoey said. “She’s my daughter’s babysitter, FYI” she a dit to Cas.
“Okay” Cas said. He always felt uncomfortable in Zoey’s presence.
“You’ll get to see her soon” Daphne smiled. “You’re...

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WHIC Chapter 2 Miracle Worker (2/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

Zoey walked into a bakery and put down a pile of flyers on the desk.
“Do toi know this man?” a customer read. It was a teenage girl. She looked up. “No, I do not. Is he a convict? ou is he missing?”
“He’s not missing” Zoey said. “He lives in my house. And as far as being a convict, let’s say it’s still undecided”
“Who is he?” the girl asked. She picked up a flyer. “Mind if I take one of these?”
Zoey shook her head. “Maybe toi could help”
“Sure, anything toi want” the girl a dit and she and Zoey left the bakery.
“Thanks” Zoey said.
“You haven’t answered...

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WHIC Chapter 1 The Spanish Inquisition (9/10)

posted by HaleyDewit

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“Miss Allen, I’m just finishing up here and then I’m going straight home, so that drink you’re dying to have with me, it’s going to have to wait”
“Check her Facebook profile” Zoey said.
“What?” Jack asked distracted.
“She posté some pictures of her and Emmanuel on her Facebook page” Zoey explained. “You can cut her out of it and scan the photo. See what toi come up with”
Silence.
“Are toi still there?” she asked slowly.
“Yeah,...

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posted by TangoThang

What always has been relatable about Dean is he is not the character with the big Supernatural myth arc. He was written and set up to be the normal one in the pairing - the one who kept everything grounded in reality. And yet he is a normal man who still had most of the pivotal events of season 4 and 5 revolving around him. In season 4, he is the one who get’s a special bond with an Angel (not the brother who admitted to deep faith in season 1). In season 5, he's the center of the manipulation par the anges to get him to agree to be Michael's vessel, and during the time kills a number of...

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Why Bobby is essential to Supernatural

posted by TangoThang

Pretty much everyone is expendable on SPN except Sam and Dean. However, there are major differences between Bobby and other supporting characters. Other recurring and regular characters are tied to their stories. When their stories end, there's no longer any need for the characters.

But Bobby isn't tied to a story. He's intricately linked to Sam and Dean.

Bobby knows Sam and Dean better than anyone. In some ways, he probably knows each of them better than he knows himself, better than they know one another, and better than the audience knows them. He's been their "uncle" since they were young...

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Sam's POV at the end of 5x16 Dark Side of the Moon

posted by HorrorFan101

“It’s worthless.”
Cas may not have known, but he couldn’t have been plus wrong as he handed the amulet back to Dean. That amulet had grown up with us, but he wasn’t to know that. I a volé, étole a quick glance at Dean who was looking at Castiel in...agreement? Couldn’t be. He knew what it meant. When I glanced over to where Cas had been, he had gone, leaving me and my brother alone in the motel room.
I walked over to the lit and shoved the towels into our duffel bag, then looked at Dean, who was still holding the collier in his right hand and his own duffel bag with the other, hitching...

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Dean's POV near the end of 5x04 The End

posted by HorrorFan101

I dug my phone from out my pocket, flipped it up and began to dial.
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I knew it was the right thing to do as soon as it began to ring. “What I should have done in the first place.”
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Parallel, Ch. 20

posted by shomill

They got in the car, D driving and Samantha sitting in the backseat with Sharon. “So the plan is… what?” asked Samantha.

“Get out in the open,” D said. She looked at Sharon in the rearview mirror. “You did say that she a dit she’d get zapped back if she wasn’t undercover?”

Sharon nodded. “Immediately.”

“Awesome. We’ll find someplace wide open-”

“And I’ll draw her to me,” Sharon finished for her.

The girls looked at her in surprise. “You sure?” asked Samantha.

Sharon nodded. “If she told the truth, I should be perfectly safe. She’ll be gone before she can do...

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Parallel, Ch. 17

posted by shomill

Dean stared at Sam in open-mouthed amazement. “The doorway between worlds?”

“Don’t toi remember, Dean?” asked Sam. “After we finished the last case, we ran into that weird storm, just like this one, in Ohio.”

Dean thought and nodded. “Oh, yeah, yeah, I do remember. It hit like a ton of bricks, then there was that blinding flash, and then it was over, just like it had never happened. And then we stopped in at that little le dîner, salle à manger for supper.”

Sam nodded, his face tight and pensive. “And that’s where we found the newspaper headline about Richard Walker’s death.”

“When was...

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Parallel, Ch. 16

posted by shomill

D stared at Samantha for a moment and said, “So you’re telling me that Sharon's family is being ganked par Sharon's ghost from our world?”

Samantha shrugged. “It’s the most plausible thing we could think of.”

“The most plausible?” a dit Dean. “What was the least?”

“Sammy,” D said, “come on, girl, you’ve gotta admit, this whole thing is pretty crazy. ‘Dingo ate my baby’ crazy.”

“So what do toi call this whole damn case?” her sister retorted.

D nodded reluctantly and conceded, “‘Dingo ate my baby’ crazy.”

Sam put in, “Yeah, it’s a stretch, but when you...

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Fanfic Part IX

posted by HorrorFan101

Even Dean looked Lost for words, which did not occur too often, he could promise. Sam exchanged looks with his brother, then found his voice.
“How d’you know that?”
Amy shrugged. “I’ve been one myself heading of ten years now. Since I was sixteen.”
Sam and Dean exchanged looks, and silently decided between themselves to trust and believe her as one of their few allies.
“So how did toi recognise us? We’re pretty good at keeping under the radar,” argued Dean.
“I saw toi chargement some weapons into your tronc this morning, and the way toi kept yourselves to yourselves, and go...

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Fanfic Part VII

posted by HorrorFan101

The demon looked at the floor around her feet for a way out then realised that even if she broke through the devil’s trap, she was still trapped in the room with the Winchesters, who not only had an exorcism ritual, but also the couteau that was able to kill her kind.
Sam began to walk towards her, still staying out of the circle, as Dean paced back and forth behind him, near the door.
“So what are toi doing here?”
She looked up smugly. “You honestly think I’m going to tell you?”
“Yeah, we do, actually,” Dean piped up from behind his brother, taking a small metal container from...

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Parallel, Ch. 11

posted by shomill

Sam and Samantha both sat on Samantha's bed, sharing her laptop as they searched for further information. Sam held the computer on his lap, scrolling down the page. He was only getting plus and plus confused. “This is getting too deep for me,” he commented.

“Parallel worlds fall into the category of quantum physics,” Samantha said. “Which is nothing but science fiction translated into mathematical formulas and hypothetical theories. No one knows what’s really true, because no one’s ever actually done it.”

“Except us,” Sam said.

“Exactly,” Samantha said, “but our lives...

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A Cas-girl goes on and on and on...

posted by Blueeyes99

Hello everyone. It’s me again, back with another interview with Molly a.k.a Irishsoul12.

Ok, thanks for doing this, I appreciate toi taking the time!

Thank toi for asking me to do this. I l’amour talking about Supernatural and Castiel all the time. In my house no one cares about that, except me and my little sister, Sage.

When Castiel made his debut, what went through your mind?

I was really surprised that they were adding angels. I knew the seconde he walked through those doors he wasn’t a demon, like Dean and Bobby thought. I knew he was something really special. I can honestly say that I was...