Ae Hetalia countries representing their own country ou are they literally their own country?

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panisepic said:
Well both toi could say, they're humanized personifications of literal countries to be specific.

However Season 5 especially shows that they can actually be in their country and interact with the people in it while still being called par their country name...if that makes any sense.... just watch S5 ep15 and you'll see what I mean....

We also see that they have "bosses" which would suggest that they, while representing their countries, still don't make all the decisions (they themselves do not make up the whole government of the country they represent)

What your asking I think can kinda vary a little from fan to fan, basically I see it as their plus representation, they literally represent their countries culture and history (and stereotypes for that matter)

But I guess the montrer does montrer that they can actually be in their countries while being the country...which would make them plus representations I guess...yeah like I a dit watch Season 5 and it'll probably make plus sense...

hope this helped, I don't think I made any sense ^^"

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Tinekraut said:
toi might have mistaken the characters to be some sort of citizen ambassadors of the respective countries they came from but no. They are the countries themselves. The human version of the countries.
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jennipop22 said:
I believe they are some sort of immortal representatives, like ambassadors but not at the same time.
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pastaforever said:
I think that the Hetalia countries are personifications of the morale, attitude and culture of the people of the real country. This means that the characters are different individuals from the actual landmass (as some countries can appear on their own landmass so they can't be the same entity) ou the country's foreign politics (which is symbolized par the country's boss).
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Profound idea toi got there. That made me reflect. It's true that they embody the culture of the country but they also include the territory in their representation (for example, the curls of several countries represent a geographical area like Nantucket, Mariazelle, Seoul, Seborga rocky terrain, and even the US glasses represent Texas) so we can presume that the body of the countries represent the territory as a whole, but not only that. Viewers should also study the concept of "state" as it best explains what the Hetalia characters represent (not to be confused with “State” as in the 50 States of the US, ou that of German landeren). Usually, we synonymously ou interchangeably use the terms "state" and "country", as the latter is the plus commonly known term, but in its strictest sense, country just refers to the “tangible, concrete” geographical territory, on the other hand “state” is an “intangible, abstract” concept which holistically includes: territory, sovereignty, people (this is where culture comes in), and govn’t - combined. But here in hetalia, what was “intangible”, “abstract” concept in textbooks are now made “concretely imaginable” through their manganized human personification as Hetalia characters. Countries not only represent the territory, it is true. The auteur himself would have a hard time since a "state's" territory is not definite - they may lose ou accumulate other territories. And even some territories have an anthropomorphic entity of their own (e.g. France's Picardy, Japan's perfectures, Germany's brothers, England's brothers, the US' Molossia, etc.)... In fact, not necessarily do they have to have a definite territory. Let’s take a look at Prussia’s case: Before he even secured the Prussian territories and settle down as a real “state”, he was already in existence, only as a religious-military organization as he was once called the Teutonic Knights (Order of St. Maria). So despite me saying that Hetalia characters is the embodiment of the concept “state”, it seems, they may also exist even when they are incomplete of the 4 elements enumerated. In fact nowadays, Prussia lack the element of govn’t and sovereignty, yet he exist. Let’s take a look at baby America and baby Canada, they still didn’t have govn’t of their own back then (they weren’t officially “state” back then) and they used not to have as much territory as they have in the present-day. Then here’s another complicated case, that of Germany and HRE. In the Hetalia world, the anthropomorphized representation of the territories (as of HRE – the German states/kingdom/duchies, Austria-Hungary, etc. ; while as of Germany – his brothers Prussia, Hesse, Bavaria, etc.) were already in existence prior to the birth of (human version) HRE and then of (human version) Germany. So what do the 2 represent then? It’s the totality of the Holy Roman Empire and Germany as a state, complete with the 4 elements: territory, sovereignty, people, and govn’t. To summarize it all: First we can have the presumption that Hetalia characters are the anthropomorphic representation of their respective “state” (countries during the WWII timeskip qualify to that). Then we can sort out throughout the course of the story which characters may be identified as exemptions to that “presumption”, that is to say, the ones who don’t possess all the 4 elements of “state” and may only be representing a: a.) territory (e.g. Molossia, Picardy, Japanese prefectures [himaruya made character designs for the prefectures], Germany’s brothers in the present-day, etc.); b.) people (Prussia back when he was still the Order of St. Maria he represented the fraternity of the Teutonic crusaders rather than an actual kingdom, so I guess we can say he only represented a group of “people” back then.); c.) sovereignty and govn’t (to which I would categorize the HRE as a political entity, and Germany representing the union of Germanic states/kingdoms…. In Hetalia world, I imagine the concept of “sovereignty” represented as personified character being whatever “power” ou “force” (the mutual sentiment of a Germanic union ou Empire building maybe and its charter, represented par Germany and HRE.) it is that commands solidarity, loyalty and obedience to its components. While when I say govn’t being represented par a character, I only pertain to the governmental set up like the HRE being an Empire that prevails over its member-states ou Germany being a federal republic that prevails over its landeren. Although the people who operates the govn’t [which is plus accurately called as the “administration”] are the citizen-officials and their boss. ) . On the side note, it is their culture and stereotypical traits that describes their personality. Although, sometimes a Hetalia character/country don’t reflect the sentiment ou prevalent attitude, ou public opinion (as distinguished to established culture) of the people. Example, during Jean d’Arcs’s inquisition, Frenchmen were less sympathetic for Her. On the contrary, France (the hetalian country) in fact felt thoroughly devastated deep inside. Present-day UK has already gotten over a long time il y a how they Lost their American colonies but here in the series England the character can’t still get over. What else… There are other instances there, I don’t remember them all. I think Himaruya also a dit something about why Belarus wanted to unite with Russia when their national govn’t ou the public opinion (either of that. I forgot which one exactly) was against it. Another one I remember. I was expecting Taiwan would be antagonistic to China vice versa, considering the dispute on territory/sovereignty, but there in the series, toi see them in good terms. It seems Taiwan don’t hate China while her people and govn’t are actually against mainland encroachment.
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