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posted by yemi_hikari
Everyone knows Rowling and Meyer's stance on fanfiction and the fact both writers have donné a thumbs up of sorts. However, there is something I don't think either one of them would of approve of and it involves those Reading the Books a lot of people are supposedly writing. I say supposedly écriture because copying from another persons work is not écriture unless toi are quoting under fair use. And boy... every single lire the livres I've come across is not in fair use and constitutes plagiarism. I know how to write one that doesn't constitute plagiarism, but I'll save that until the end.

One of the arguments I've seen is that it is just fanfiction so it doesn't matter if they are committing plagiarism and copyright infringement in their stories because it is just for fun. However, when toi publier something to the net it is not just for fun anymore. When a person is found out to have plagiarized the rest of their work will come under question about whether ou not it is also stolen ou not. That is unless your a really young writer who hasn't yet learned what plagiarism is and then people are plus willing to give toi a seconde chance. This is because plagiarists tend to be serial in what they do rather then sticking to just one piece.

The seconde argument is that fanfiction can't be called out for plagiarism because it is a copyright issue and to call fanfiction out on a copyight issue is to call into question the entire work as fanfiction uses copyrighted material. I am going to point out here that copyright infringement and plagiarism are two different things. Copyright infringement means toi used the material without the persons permission and plagiarism means toi a volé, étole the persons work and passed it off as your own. For example, toi can plagiarize Shakesphere and any of the other works that have fallen into public domain. Since no one has the copyright nobody can take toi to court for plagiarizing the work because it is the copyright holder that gets the money in a lawsuit.

The third argument comes from the fact some people believe disclaiming the work means toi haven't committed plagiarism and toi can't get in trouble for plagiarism. link ]Plagiarism.org[/url] puts it well. Under their liste of things that are considered plagiarism it lists ”copying so many words ou ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether toi give credit ou not (see our section on "fair use" rules)”.

So how much is to much? Some people may remember their teachers telling them that if their work is thirty percent ou less then the writer is within fair use. I'm going to point out that this is for essays and not creative writing. There isn't an exact percentage, but it should be under one percent of your work when it comes to copyrighted material and even that can be too much as two to four lines per chapter is also an added limit. So what does this in fact mean? It means that the majority of the lire the livres fanfics consitute plagiarism.

Some may say, but I paraphrased the livres so I should be fine. Here is another quote from the site I gave toi from the list. It includes, “changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit” and the whole copying to much from the original source in fact also counts despite having changed the wording around and paraphrased the work And here some people may be thinking, but I use the characters so that is plagiarism right? Nope. As I've said, copyright infringement is different from plagiarism.

The disclaimers may not save toi when toi take the actual words, but when toi admit to borrowing the concepts from the livres your covered. Unless of course the writer decides to not allow people to write fanfiction for their stories and they are going to push vers l'avant, vers l’avant their right to be the sole person to create derivative works off their work. The exception to the rule is parody as parody is protected under fair use.

The lire the livres issue is an epidemic and it isn't restrained to just the Harry Potter and the Twilight fandoms. A lot of people claim that banning lire the livres stories from sites infringes upon their freedom of speech ou their creative freedom forgetting that what they are doing is infringing upon the rights of someone they are supposed to be a fan of in the first place. Those who write lire the livres ou support them in some manner are in the wrong, not the site admins, not the writer nor the people calling them out for what they are doing.

That said, it is possible to write an actual lire the livres fanfic. I refuse to call the stuff that I've been finding fanfic because as I've pointed out, copying someone else work is not writing. Some people are probably thinking it is impossible, but then they are not thinking outside of the box.

Avoid quoting and paraphrasing the work. Particularly don't do it on sites where copying is not allowed at all. toi can write sentences like “Lily read the book until she got to what a brat her sister's son was.” Do not fill your work with the above sentences but instead make each chapter a focal point around one of these sentences. For example, Lily might storm over to her sister and lecture her about how to properly take care of kids for one chapter.

Some people may say, but that defeats the purpose of the lire the Books. As I am going to point out, the stuff that is being put out is not écriture but is instead all over the place. The writers are throwing jokes left and right and the works are unfocused, not to mention so many of them are exactly the same because they are following the same restrictive structure rather then actually thinking outside of the box.

I look vers l'avant, vers l’avant to seeing a legit lire the livres fanfic made, because it will showcase the writers potential a whole lot plus rather then the writer relying on another writers words as a crutch. So, while I'll defend the idea behind the lire the Book fanfic I refuse to defend the ones that have been deleted from sites for obvious reasons. Support the writers of lire the livres who are doing the right thing instead of the ones who aren't.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS. IT IS JUST BEING COPIED AND PASTED.

First of all- Harry Potter isn’t just a childish bedtime story. Nor is it shallow. A story based off a single dream has no depth. Twilight fans will never what kind of man James was before he turned vampire. Rowling, however, spent 15 years planning every little detail. She created a world within our own for her witches and wizards. She has based their heritage off of real mythology and history. Their spells are in a dead language and they have organized governments with strict laws. She has followed her characters’ stories from...
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 Before the twilight fans began a riot at a hot topics.
Before the twilight fans began a riot at a hot topics.
Twilight is a best-selling, Supernatural teen romance series containing the events of a human (Bella), a vampire (Edward), and a werewolf (Jacob)situations in Forks, WA as the livres progress. It has attracted a significantly high fan-base and it's films grossed to over $700 million box-office. Much of the saga's acclaims range from young fans of the livres and movies, all the way to the current President of the United States. Such acclaim is also met with the negativity of the public that are against the over-all plots and messages from the saga itself. The conflicts of interests towards the...
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Ok, some of this is opinion, some is fact, so don't critisize it because it is my opinion. And don't be rude in the commentaires section!

1. If the Cullens are "vampire's" that don't burn in the sun, don't drink blood, young, rich, immortal and beautiful, then why are they in Forks, Washington!? In HIGH SCHOOL!?

2. toi say this story is about a Vampire, Werewolf and Human. I won't disagree with the human part, but the Cullens are NOT vampires. They don't drink blood, they don't die from a stake to the heart, they don't burn in the sun, and they don't have fangs. Jacob isn't a werewolf. He doesn't...
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Intelligence, I was not born with. Talent, minimal. Endurance, plenty. I wish I could be a Hermione Granger. The world is a cruel place for a woman and a brainy one at that. The close I come to is a Ron Weasley.

Hermione, from her introduction, comes off as a snooty know-it-all. An outcast who never gets along with anybody because she knows too much. But as we déplacer on in the series she becomes the strongest pillar of the trio. She thrives on competition and always comes on top. Being a muggle-born and to be accepted into the wizard-world she faces discrimination and isolation from many but...
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I found these fascinating, thought toi guys might too, :)


Bellatrix - “Bella” is a construct of the word “bellum” meaning “war” and “trix” refers to “a woman in power.” Bellatrix is therefore known as the “Female Warrior” and is also the pale yellow étoile, star indicating the left shoulder of the constellation Orion, the Great Hunter.

Blaise - Blaise was the teacher of Merlin. From the Roman name Blasius, which means “lisping.” From the Latin “blaesus.” A famous bearer was Blaise Pascal, a French mathematician and philosopher.

Draco...
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OK, there are millions of people who write thest kind of articles, but please try and control your patience, and read this.

The Love
Harry Potter has love. Not lust.
Hermione didn't stare and Ron and say "OMG he is soooo hot, I am in love" no, Hermione and Ron started of as hating each other. Halfway through their first an they became friends. In HBP and DH they both started getting feelings for each other. They l’amour each other for who they are. That is real love. Twilight on the other hand has no real love. Bella and Edward fall in l’amour with each other, they kiss, Bella gets pregnant. ALL THIS...
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posted by KateKicksAss
One thing I've noticed in general is that anti's tend to make a pretty big deal out of the Twilight vampires sparkling. I've seen people saying things like real vampires don't sparkle, vampires not sparkling was a fact, and that it was gay of them to sparkle. Okay, of ALL the things to criticize in Twilight, people are going after the SPARKLING? Seriously?

First off, at least where I'm from, calling something “gay” as an insult is considered really rude and distasteful. Besides being rude and homophobic, it's also generalizing and stereotyping. Just because something sparkles doesn't make...
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I was typing up an response to iluvtwilight_ for my personal enjoyment when someone reported the question and had it removed. I felt much frustration as what was once a very entertaining activity was reduced to pointlessness. This makes an already depressed person like me plus depressed. Siriusly, I want to committ suicide now...

No, I don't... not yet. But I considered leaving for a brief moment.
But to address this problematic issue. I present: link. O.o What's this? Wikipedia has a specific project devoted to adding humour to the site? OMG, on such a serious site?

Yes, even on such a serious...
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Discussion regarding Twilight vampires and reply to Drisina at link

First Part:
The thing is Drisina, one cannot par fiat change a legend to whatever one very well pleases with. vampires have been in mythology from the 17th century, e.g. Countess Elizabeth Bathory who alledgedly drank her female servants blood to stay young.

So what Stephenie Meyer does is that she takes the vampire-myth, and discards the gorier details and imperfections, replaces them with what she thinks they should be and et voila, we have Edward Cullen.

Now I shall dissect why most people think its a bad thing to do. Recall...
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posted by harrypotterbest
The Volturi and The Death Eaters have a lot in common. This article points out the features of The Death Eaters that the Volturi seem to have as well.
Before I begin, toi have to remember that The Death Eaters were here first – so the Volturi copied them, not the other way around. Now, the leaders of the Volturi are –unless I’m very much mistaken – Aro, Marcus, and Caius. The leader of The Death Eaters is Lord Voldemort.
The Dark Lord can perform Legilemency, which is rather like mind reading, whatever Snape says. Aro can read minds too. The Dark Lord needs eye contact, Aro needs a...
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It’s been a while since i am here in this Harry Potter vs Twilight community. Now, being a die hard Harry Potter fan my vote always go for the same, but I feel par criticizing any of the two of them is insulting the world of story writing. I give it a thought why this whole Harry Potter vs Twilight thing is started and all that comes to me is a memory of mine. At some point I liked Twilight (though not as much as I am obsessed with Harry Potter). Then one jour I had an argument with a friend of mine & naturally I sided with Harry Potter but hearing illogical criticism turned me against...
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posted by Blueeyes99
Ok, time for the other side of the story, in other words, time for another interview with a Twilight “hater”. Her name is Izabella, aka: venvargie! Let’s get started!

Could toi introduce yourself please!

Hah, okay well I'm Izabella. But I usually go par Ven on the interwebz. I'm turning 16 in a few months and I don't watch a lot of TV so I don't have a favori montrer xD.

What is it that toi hate about Twilight?

Well, I hate the sparkling thing the most. Growing up, I watched all kinda of scary vampire films with my older brother and they were always the kind that died in the light and vanted...
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Heellooooo!!!! I'm feeling rather aléatoire today so I thought I'd take a leaf out of Emma's rather large, leather bound book and do a stupid Harry Potter quiz. It's not actually a story, just a aléatoire collection of letters put together to form a aléatoire collection of words which will, in turn, provide a aléatoire collection of potentially amusing sentences. So, enjoy my little freaks!!!
Beware: If toi have no sense of humour: DO NOT ENTER!!!
PS. I decided to post this on this spot as well as the HP one because everyone seems so mad at the opposition so I thought they might need a laugh :)



Read the...
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posted by snapeislove
The "jejemon" mania is spreading in my country like mad.

I am a Filipino and Im getting really upset because almost half of the 'jejemon' population is in my country. Even my Friends greet me through text messages '.,inN DisZ qKinD oFv m4nN3Rr.,' and Im now confused if they're simply Twihards ou just some bunch of lunatics. I am also sad because when I chercher what 'jejemon' means it always come up with explanations that involve my country, am I gonna deny that I am a Filipino? will I curse them all because they're all proud of it? will I beg them to stop the stupidity? I know my options will...
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posted by luv_warriorcatz
All credits go to Das_Mervin's sporking of the Twilight series: link

I just wanted to cut out this snippet and paste it here because I completely agree here. There is no being that's invincible, no matter how unnecessarily overpowered toi make them.
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Meyer thinks that humans are limited to two types of weapons: pistolets and slow-moving bombs. Oh, Meyer. toi silly, silly bitch. There is one thing that we humans have been consistently good at since we first picked up a rock and looked speculatively at that tortue hiding smugly inside of its shell:...
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I cannot stress strongly enough the contempt I have for the franchise of Twilight. ou at least the book. The films are plus funny than anything else, and honestly I don't hate any of the cast an crew working on it. Having read the source material, I can see they had little to work with.
Harry Potter, on the other hand... I like. I don't l’amour it; I'm no Potterhead par any means, however much I might have been in the past. But it will always hold a very special place for me. I grew up with the livres and films, lire and seeing them years apart from each other - growing up along with the characters...
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