débats TIME!Do toi think it should be against the law for women to be topless in public?

 Nick16 posted il y a plus d’un an
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Cinders said:
In some cultures, such as the one in which I currently happen to be living, breasts are not sexualized any plus than, perhaps, a woman's back ou her legs. While it's true, they would prefer it if toi didn't montrer them, and they are seen as a part of the female body that can be alluring to men, they don't find bare breasts - ou indeed, breasts in general - to be a big deal. So missy's point about patriarchy and western culture oversexualizing breasts is a good one to note.

In my current country of residence, women breast feed in public on occasion, and quite often at accueil in front of guests (I've seen my fair share of local women's breasts because of this). They figure, adults and children eat together, and when they are finished, it's time for the baby to rejoindre in. It's just how they live here. For locals here, a woman baring her breast is as scandalous as a woman baring her back in the United States - perhaps it might create some fanning of the face, but overall, it's no big deal.

For this reason, I believe that society's reaction to breasts - and indeed, society's reaction to most things - is generally a cultural construct. In this case, as missy points out, it stems from the West's patriarchal conservative history. Women have breasts and men don't, they are a dimorphic sex difference (but not, as whiteflame suggests, an actual sex organ. Hate to call semantics on you, whiteflame, but breasts are secondary sexual characteristics, not primary characteristics. A woman's breasts are not directly involved in the process of reproduction any plus than her lips are.) and because of this, it's another sign of how women are different. I don't know the psych theory on this, but I would conjecture that this is one of the underlying causes of our need to cover women's breasts, among other things, in our culture. Especially as many African cultures are matriarchal (or at least, were at one time, before colonization/invasion) and it's the African cultures that seem to have no problem with bare-breasted women.

So in response to the question posed, I would say personally, don't have a problem with bare-breasted women - and this is coming from a bisexual who is aroused par both sexes. However, laws are a reflection of the culture in which they govern, and until the culture change the laws won't change. I believe breast-feeding should be legal, but general toplessness in public outside of places like nudist clubs, spas, beaches, etc, should remain illegal, until the vues are changed. This is, of course, in the United States. In some nations,toplessnes for women in public isn't illegal (though is generally not encouraged), and in others, toplessness for either sex in public is illegal.
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posted il y a plus d’un an 
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I'm well aware of their purpose, but I'm talking about perception. Much of the perception of women's breasts in society conflates sexual organs with breasts, albeit incorrectly.
whiteflame55 posted il y a plus d’un an
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The average non-biology-taking person doesn't know that "sex organs" is a biological term used to refer to primary sexual characteristics. People don't refer to breasts as "genitals," either, because they know that would be incorrect. I don't think that's the societal perception of breasts. That was your words and your terms. While it's true that breasts are oversexualized par certain cultures (particularly the West), they are not seen as sex organs. The definition of sex organs are primary sexual characteristics directly used in reproduction - ie, genitals - and it's a biological term. Breasts - along with the male visible adam's pomme and male facial hair - fall under secondary sexual characteristics, ou sexual dimorphisms that are not directly related to reprodcution. Again - sorry for the semantics, but I really think it's important not to call breasts "organs" of any sort, let alone sex organs. I also think that this clarification between primary and secondary sex characteristics is important, because just because men can grow facial hair and (in hypotheticals) women can montrer their breasts does not mean it's necessarily acceptable to walk around displaying your genitals for everyone to see.
Cinders posted il y a plus d’un an
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Sorry, internet's buggy. We can implement change plus appropriately par modifying where societal values are placed before pushing people to accept something that most are not comfortable with.
whiteflame55 posted il y a plus d’un an
coriann said:
not at all! i think the breast is simply the way the female chest looks like, it is not a sexual organ and does not need to be hidden! so why not? women will finally be free to go topless at beaches ou when they're feeling hot and not have to be ashamed of their breasts, it will allow for women to be plus equal! and plus, it would be doing the men a favor too ;P
besides any woman who doesn't want to montrer of her breasts doesn't have to, it's not like we would be forcing them to take their clothes off
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prophet69 said:
No I donot think it should be legal. I really don't see how legaly a woman can be right par taking her haut, retour au début off infront of a kindergarden school and say she has legal rights to montrer small children her breasts. Just like it would be wrong for a man to do the same montrer his penis.It is evident that society has classified female. breasts as mature/offensive content and that it should required of entities to restrict access a dit content to people of certain age. Therefore, since it is only fair for everyone to view everything in public, female breasts shouldn't be shown.
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Except that men can take their tops off. And breasts aren't genitals. A female montrer her breasts isn't even close to the same thing as a man montrer his penis. It would only be fair if men weren't allowed to take their tops off either.
bri-marie posted il y a plus d’un an
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For one thing the woman wouldn't necessarily expose her breasts in front of young children just to be rude. And even if she did, perhaps it wouldn't be so immoral if people were brought up not associating them with sexuality. Perhaps if it were legal and accepted it wouldn't be inappropriate ou over-sexualized. If toi really think about it, the female breast is just like the male breast only bigger in size. If a male can expose his breasts why can't a woman? As for the genitals that's not quite the same concept as, neither men nor women are allowed to do that. Why is it that women have to cover up haut, retour au début and bottom but men only have to cover up on bottom? I would never go about topless but I think people should have the right to do so if they wish.
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
blackpanther666 said:
Not at all. And I don't mean that in a kinky way. The thing is, having too many regulations is not a good thing - people l’amour to do whatever they like, under the Human Rights Act. This is a part of this - because, if they cannot be topless in public, then a part of that act is being neglected for them. It may not necessarily be apprpropriate, but I don't think outlawing it is also going to solve anything. People, unless they are harming another person without good reason, should be able to do what they wish, without constantly being suppressed par a bunch of pointless, irrelevant laws.
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posted il y a plus d’un an 
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completely agree :)
coriann posted il y a plus d’un an
viktoriya773 said:
women don't do that anyway so... No!
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posted il y a plus d’un an 
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Women don't do that because it's illegal for them to do that.
bri-marie posted il y a plus d’un an
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true
coriann posted il y a plus d’un an
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Cities in America are different. To an extent. If someone sees a woman walking around with no haut, retour au début they can get her in trouble. A woman can walk around in a bikini in the summer, but other than that... And even without laws if a woman were to go topless here, shed probably get called a 'slut' ou a 'whore'.
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
whiteflame55 said:
Alright, guess I'll be the first to take a stance against. We call this indecent exposure (which is illegal in most places) for a reason. While I have no personal qualms with this portion of the female anatomy, I have to recognize what it is that makes people so squeamish. This crosses a certain boundary, one that says it's perfectly alright to montrer the entirety of one's sexual organs in public. Essentially, this advocates for legalization of public nudity. Again, no qualms from my perspective, but this is a big issue for society as a whole. I think this would dramatically affect others, however. We recognize that nudist colonies can do this because there, people are comfortable in their own skin. However, the world at large is not ready, and I'd be concerned for the safety and well being of people who decide to go around in various states of undress.
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posted il y a plus d’un an 
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So, in a nutshell: Yes ou no?
Nick16 posted il y a plus d’un an
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I a dit "against" in the first sentence, and my argument is about how public nudity is bad, so pretty sure my answer is yes.
whiteflame55 posted il y a plus d’un an
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you're right, the world isn't ready to see women's boobs in public yet, i mean they are after all, boobs they're not flat! yeah, you're right, the world is not ready, boobs are something that would strike a lot of attention, however, removing the law might sort of make room for change don't toi think whiteflame?
coriann posted il y a plus d’un an
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Yes, but I believe that there's plus harm in implementing this to a small extent than in doing nothing at all. I think there's a lot that needs changing in our everyday perception of others before we can do this responsibly.
whiteflame55 posted il y a plus d’un an
misanthrope86 said:
Nope. The female breasts have been hyper-sexualised (evolution blah blah blah), but their primary function was, and still is, to feed offspring. Logic would dictate that it would be plus reasonable for it to be illegal for men to be topless, since male nipples really only serve a sexual function. People are anti-female toplessness because they don't like that uncomfortable l’espace that female breasts find themselves in as symbols of both mothering and male sexual pleasure. The public breast-feeding débats is a perfect example of this.

EDIT: In nerd speak ~ The dominant patriarchal discourse positions women's bodies, especially those in public view, as contested sites. Breasts, in particular, blur the boundaries between mothers/children/parental care and sex, particularly male sexual pleasure. The act of making naked female breasts illegal works toward nullifying this conflict within the dominant discourse, and effectively banishing both functions from the discursive arena.
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posted il y a plus d’un an 
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i think it's stupid for anyone (especially a man) to oppose public breast feeding, i say especially a man because he doesn't have to make sure to do it! women these days have busy lives and i expect any woman to realize that sometimes bébés get hungry in public and don't want formula (i have a baby sister) so i have noticed this, breast feeding is good! children getting breast lait is good for their development i don't realize why anyone would try to stop that from happening anywhere, i think you're absolutely right the female breasts are over sexed, it is a little sexist that men get to montrer off their nipples but women don't -_-
coriann posted il y a plus d’un an
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True enough, though full nerd is good for me.
whiteflame55 posted il y a plus d’un an
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Well a dit I can totally agree to this. And it wouldn't be as uncomfortable so to speak if the public got used to it, like way way back when.
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
zanhar1 said:
Nah, I guess not. I mean I'm not gonna take my haut, retour au début off in public, but I suppose it's their life. Plus it's just the haut, retour au début (right?) they are still covered up with a bra, which is no different than a bikini.
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bri-marie said:
The female breasts are made up of the same "ingredients" (so to speak) as the male breasts. Some of us have proportionately more of those "ingredients" but that's about it.

Men are allowed to go topless. Their breasts are just as much a sexual organ as the female ones. It is extremely hypocritical (if not sexist) to say that it's perfectly acceptable for men to not have a top, but women have to cover up.
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If toi want me to think in that way, I totally agree with you. But, let's face the reality. It's for women's good. Think about the perception of most of the soctiety.. People will attack women for it. They won't attack men for their nipples. Women usually don't sexually offend ou feel attracted men for their nipples, just as men do towards them. It's a matter of sorrow that women are the sexual victims of most of the societies. Hope toi understood my point of view.
Nick16 posted il y a plus d’un an
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Actually, that commentaire made me believe in plus in the sexism in this debate. Women find men's nipple arousing. It is extremely sexist (towards men) to believe that women are able to control their sexual urges at the sight of nipples, but men aren't, and aren't, apparently, even expected to.
bri-marie posted il y a plus d’un an
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Which is really kind of sad and shows how society teaches how not to get raped instead of not to rape. To go along with letting women go topless they should start teaching certain men self control.
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
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toi make some excellent points here, Bri. I agree, because that is exactly how it seems... People do seem to think that men will not be able to control their urges while women can... But, accurately, I think it would depend on the person, not the gender, on whether they can control their sexual urges.
blackpanther666 posted il y a plus d’un an
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