So I'm really pissed right now. Bring on the comments.

nem this qustions don't make sence for brooke cause really the attention is never on her cause peyton aways need something

why are you pissed?? and i don't agree with either of these..i love both of them, and i don't think they are needy or attention seeking. but i do like peyton better than brooke.

i think it is because of a certain poster at othforums I am not sure.

Because some people from other forums claim that Peyton is needy and Brooke is an attention seeker.

Well the Peyton part we are all knowledgeable how that came up but with Brooke, they pointed all these:

1. playing hard to get
2. "i wanted you to fight for me."
3. "then what is the difference."
4. "i wanted you to save me."
5. "why won't you ever just let me all the way in."

and said that she is an attention seeker.

I don't agree with any of these either.

bratty what's with the cheap shots?
anyways, people forget that when peyton was being saved all the time, most cases didn't even involve her ASKING for help. Peyton just can't win: she bottles everything up (season 1) and is called dark and b*tchy - brooke does the same this season and is considered selfless & noble.
Peyton finally starts to let her loved ones in (ex; 6.05 calling luke) instead of shutting them out and she's "needy"? It's not like she calls and asks for assistance to PEE or anything. The girl's more independent than ppl think. She's just REALLY in love with Lucas so losing him over "what if" ate her up inside.

and yet when Brooke tries again with Luke in s3 and talks 2 him over the phone about needing help with her clothing line and ppl call that a healthy relationship.
You know what I think? I think peyton's personality is what turns a lot of anti-peyton fans off. I think Peyton's tendencies are inflated/exaggerated to be something they're not.

If anything, Brooke being in the backseat of owen's car naked is a cry for attention. She was still playing games through to season 5 and I'm sure ppl will call it a "statement" but it was just game playing.

I wouldn't call either of the options really true, but if you're asking us to pick one that was remotely close to true, I'd pick this one, sorry.

but I won't get into this debate, not tonight :P

lol. wow getting attention seeking from those scenes, okay, sure, to ecah their own.

i would say brooke stopped being attention seeky back in season one, peyton can be needy sometimes so i would say she is more needy than brooke is attention seeky, but i dont really like to lable peyton needy, they all have their needy moments. and i think ive spelt and read and thought the word needy too much in the last minute that it now no longer seems like a real word.

and abs why attack nem, she didnt even pick an option, she stated that someone else was referring to peyton as needy and brooke as an attention seeker. ive seen much more cheaper shots with picks.

I'm not debating about this too, I just wanna hear (or see, lol) your comments. It just came to me that when you hate a person it translates to how you judge that person. I love Brooke, you all know that. And I never saw her insecurities as a bad thing nor these instances as her being an attention seeker. If I was asked this question a year ago I would probably say that Peyton is needy because I used to hate her. I used to think that she is whiny and annoying and all that stuff but I think she's just misunderstood, and now I know where she's coming from and I think she's not needy at all. So I don't know if these people calling BP these names are too closed minded or am I just too open minded to see their points.

ur not too close minded at all. if you can change ur mind from hating peyton, to understanding where she's coming from, ur definately not close minded.

Oh cool thanks. How about with Brooke?

in a way i agree with abs about how peyton was hated s1 for being "dark" but brooke was doing the same thing in s6 and she is just noble and selfless??? but i don't think she is attention seeking at all. so no ur not too close minded.

Oh no I loved s1 Peyton. She's got a lot of attitude! :)

I love Brooke 24/7, she is awsome, but I don't dislike Peyton!

haha k :]

i love s1 peyton too, i love the 'dark' attitude filled bitchy peyton, she was great, she was still this kind hearted person, she was real. she was great, still is great even if i wanna slap her sometimes. a lot of brucas fans dont like peyton, and its not just brucas fans either, soem people are turned off by her, and well i guess you cant love every character and their love or hate of a character will definitely cause some amount of bias. nem im glad you dont hate peyton anymore, sometimes all you need is a little time to warm up to a character.

Yeah the only reason I hated her is because of the s1 cheating but what can I say I have already moved on. lol.

Brooke an attention seeker? um, if she was, then she would've told people about the attack and gained the sympathy from everyone already right?! i mean yes she probably wasn't ready right after the attack but i think if she was an attention seeker, she would have hinted at something which would have made people pry for the info out of Brooke even more, which would be attention seeking. just my opinion.

My opinion - Brooke is more of an attention seeker than Peyton is needy. But really neither are either.

Don't agree with any of these options and i'm not gonna pick just because "i have too" .
We ALL need attention, and we ALL need someone on your side and someone that help you in the bad moments.

Peyton a needy? In season 5 yes, but we can't forget about the other seasons. She been through a lot and sometimes all by herself .
And Brooke a attention seeker? That , i just cant say nothing because it's really pathetic in my point of view.

neither

Neither yet you chose Brooke?

It's not like I'm starting a fight, I created this poll because some really do think that Peyton is needy or Brooke is an attention seeker but if you think none of these are true and just products of crazy fans' imagination, you can choose not to vote. I am not obliging anyone to make a pick if you don't like to or you just don't agree with the options you're free to do that but you can come on here and discuss. I just wish you don't pick because of your love or hate for a certain character. If you think there is some truth in any of the options, go choose one. If Peyton is needy, go ahead and pick her. If you think Brooke is an attention seeker, pick her just the same but if you don't agree with any of these please do not pick just because you prefer Brooke/Peyton or Brucas/Leyton.

I don't wanna be too demanding but I wish you guys could post all the reasons why you chose that option because obviously, I don't see it this way. The only thing I may be debating about this is why people see them as Needy or Attention Seekers when for me they're not. Or we can define "needy" and attention seeker" and then debate about it, at least we're on common ground.

And Abs, you shouldn't be sorry about your pick, I mean that's your choice.

neither....both may have a little bit of these but very little in my opinion and plus they both grew and matured so now i disagree with both of them!

Peyton is so damn needy and It's really annoying.

I'm not trying to start a fight nor trying to debate, but I just have to say this.

Abs: Peyton just can't win: she bottles everything up (season 1) and is called dark and b*tchy - brooke does the same this season and is considered selfless & noble.

This is why Peyton's called dark and b*thcy and why Brooke is not doing the same thing as Peyton.
Peyton hid her feelings, but cheated....remember?
How is she being selfless and noble there? She didnt have to hide her feelings...Brooke asked her multiple times about Lucas and yet she said nothing.
The major difference is that Brooke, by hiding her feelings isnt hurting Peyton...Peyton on the other ends up hurting everyone when she bottles up her feelings.

Peyton finally starts to let her loved ones in (ex; 6.05 calling luke) instead of shutting them out and she's "needy"? It's not like she calls and asks for assistance to PEE or anything. The girl's more independent than ppl think. She's just REALLY in love with Lucas so losing him over "what if" ate her up inside.
That is not the only time Peyton has needed someone. She has always been needy; she is always in a situation where she needs someone. Please tell me hows she's independent? She is everything but independent. She cant anything on her own. She couldnt even run tric on her own.

and yet when Brooke tries again with Luke in s3 and talks 2 him over the phone about needing help with her clothing line and ppl call that a healthy relationship.
You know what I think? I think peyton's personality is what turns a lot of anti-peyton fans off. I think Peyton's tendencies are inflated/exaggerated to be something they're not.
When Brooke called Lucas...they were together. Remember in the same episode Peyton called Lucas and "needed" him....yeah thats called needy. They were together...so yeah calling for help is a sign of a healthy relationship.

i really think that neither them are those things!!! peyton isnt needy and brooke isnt an attention seeker!

This is why Peyton's called dark and b*thcy and why Brooke is not doing the same thing as Peyton.
Peyton hid her feelings, but cheated....remember?
How is she being selfless and noble there? She didnt have to hide her feelings...Brooke asked her multiple times about Lucas and yet she said nothing.
The major difference is that Brooke, by hiding her feelings isnt hurting Peyton...Peyton on the other ends up hurting everyone when she bottles up her feelings.
gack! ok. what do you call brooke in season 6. That's not dark and b*tchy? that didn't hurt peyton? did you see her calling brooke over and over and trying to get the real truth out of her cause she knew something more was up? and I'm sorry, when brooke bottled the whole "nathan" thing up to try and avoid a predicament, was that selfless and noble? Even livelovelaugh, a devout brucas fan said that it wasn't about the fact that peyton cheated, it was that she let luke go in the end and that was BEFORE she knew brooke found out about them already. THAT was what was selfless & noble. And what are you talking about Peyton hurting ppl when she bottles up her feelings? She bottled them up in s3 about luke for most of the season and it was when she told the TRUTH that things got messy.

She has always been needy; she is always in a situation where she needs someone. Other than tric (which she had NO managing experience so it's a given that she'd need assistance), how is peyton needy? It's not like she's gotten herself into her tragic situations where she's needed to be saved...Peyton was in LA for 3 years BY HERSELF. So there's independent for you. She lived in her father's house as a teenager and the guy was hardly there. THAT'S independent.

When Brooke called Lucas...they were together. Remember in the same episode Peyton called Lucas and "needed" him....yeah thats called needy ok. so when brooke called luke for help with angie or help to wait at the pre-op appointment or to go with her to see angie off. is THAT needy? no. luke made a promise to a friend both times and kept his promise. that's all.

i agree with abs..especially about the last one. brooke called luke alot for help with angie.


brattynemz, a lot of people have chosen that peyton is needy just because they don't like leyton I'M SURE. notice how A LOT of the Leyton fans didn't even pick..brucas fans of course picked peyton is needy. its just how it is, and i think that when just_leyton picked brooke, it is because she thinks brooke is more attention seeking than peyton is needy, and i agree with that, but i just didn't want to pick because i don't really think they are.

but if i did want to pick, i would say brooke is more attention seeking than peyton is needy.

Bratty I wasn't trying to attack you; I just didn't like the way the question was worded. Neither girls are either option (peyton isn't needy and brooke isn't really an attention seeker anymore), so when you said "which is which" it was like you were adding fuel to the fire between leyton and brucas fans. I know you didn't mean to; I just found it offensive.
No hard feelings :)

abs, no worries. :)

tvfan5 I just noticed that. Oh well gotta wake up from my dream of a perfect world.

Well I think it's the other way around. I think Peyton is the attention seeker and Brooke is needy. lol Peyton and her webcam - I just don't understand that. Maybe someone enlighten me. And Brooke is needy because she needs assurance, assurance that Luke loves her, that she'll be fine, she'll be doing great, she'll come up with something.. I guess that's because of her lack of guidance while growing up, she really is alone if not for Peyton. Even in her convo with the therapist, I can see that. It's just heart breaking that those people who she thought would give her that assurance had hurt her - Peyton, Lucas, and Victoria. I didn't say that to start another BL vs. LP fight, I just wish she'd meet a person who won't let her down and would make all her insecurities and what if's go away. Other than that, they're just two independent, strong ladies, very different yet tightly bonded.

Peyton and her webcam - I just don't understand that. Maybe someone enlighten me I think peyton was looking for someone who could relate to her. so though she didn't talk on her webcam or really let people into her heart in the first season, she did stare at that camera aimlessly & she let ppl see her doing activities like drawing (that was her way of letting herself be "seen") and I think she hoped in her heart that someone felt the way she did; that someone was the way she was.

It's just heart breaking that those people who she thought would give her that assurance had hurt her - Peyton, Lucas, and Victoria. I didn't say that to start another BL vs. LP fight, I just wish she'd meet a person who won't let her down and would make all her insecurities and what if's go away. No one can say anything to make brooke's insecurities go away. It's up to brooke to put her insecurities to rest and fight her own demons. She sure has grown in s5 and you can tell she truly is growing from her past insecurities that have existed since season 1 (even before luke cheated). Everyone on this cast has been betrayed or let down one time or another. but they all responded differently to those betrayals. Brooke's residual insecurity is what she is battling. Peyton's inability to let people in and move forward in relationships were her demons that she's still fighting but clearly overcoming. Luke hiding from his heart time and time again was his recent demon that he has apparently now overcome. Nate's dark attitude and weakness for temptation were his demons and the list goes on for the different characters...
So I hope you don't think that all it takes is someone to be incredibly loving to brooke for her to overcome her demons. In the end, people are human, and we always fall short and hurt the ones we love sooner or later. We can't put our hopes and faith completely in people. It's just reality. This show isn't exactly spiritual so since they don't put their hope in God they need to grow in strength and overcome their demons despite people's shortcomings.

Shes a Cry Baby!

hey my bratty friend :P lol i cracked up when you said you think its the opposite, brooke needy and peyton attention seeky, i can totally see that.

Abs I don't agree. Sometimes all you need is that person and nothing else would matter. Kinda like how snacking on a cake makes you feel better. I know everyone has been betrayed or let down but the difference is they're not Brooke. They don't have insecurities just like how Brooke doesn't have a mother or music or a beautiful wife and son she can turn to. And yes, people are human, including Brooke. So I'm sure there are things she can't do by herself. But she doesn't have to put her hopes and faith completely in people, I'm pretty sure if that person comes along that person can show her how much greater of a person she is, and she would totally believe that. It's really up to Brooke to let go of those insecurities what I'm saying is someone can make her realize and open her eyes. What happens after that is all on Brooke.

And I know Peyton is so misunderstood but why was she hiding (drawings in Thud mag), is she afraid that people won't accept her or treat her badly or she just doesn't want her true self to be seen or what? It's like I'm tricking you to ask me a question and when you do ask, my answer would be uh, I don't know. And Peyton should not look for me because I cannot relate to her. lol

I forgot, hey there broody. ;)

What happens after that is all on Brooke. I think you misunderstood. cause from what you're saying, it sounds like we're almost on the same page. I'm not saying ppl won't help with aleviating brooke's insecurities, I'm just saying it's not solely ppl she needs to do that. It's ultimately on her in the end; she can't expect it to be someone who will cure her from it.

and about peyton, yeah she was afraid to show her true self cause look at how nate treated her. anyhow, she's not afraid anymore. She's grown a lot and learned that she can't please everyone but she does need to be herself. Luke helped her a lot and she realized how alike she was with him; but he didn't "cure" her of her fear to be herself. He was a great help, but the rest was on her (s2,3,4).

It's ultimately on her in the end; she can't expect it to be someone who will cure her from it.
Yes but I am recognizing the fact that she can have someone make her realize things not really cure her.

Why I loved Peyton when she was afraid to show her true self.

just a little mention that i dont think luke was the only one to help peyton, i think jake and ellie and even derek played a huge part in her evolution. everytime shes about to fall someone is there to help her back up.

broody, agreed, many ppl helped her, but she did pick herself up in season 5 after her heartbreak with luke in 508.

In which Brooke helped her. If I was Peyton I'd still probably hold on to that damn book. lol anyway I don't know if I make sense but I'm going out so yeah check back later! :)

Brooke attention seeker? LMAO who made that up? Peyton IS needy, she always has been and it's the truth. But Brooke attention seeker? So ridiculous and untrue.

Well, I wouldn't call Peyton "needy"...it's not like she ever asked for help. Most of the time she fought on her own, well...because she always was on her own. And I never really had the feeling she was begging someone for help...I mean of course she needed someone on her side, who wouldn't? Especially after everything that she had to go through. But then again, her friends always chose to help her.
But I wouldn't deny that Brooke is a little attention-seeking. Don't get me wrong, I love her and probably that's exactly what I love about her : D But nevertheless...I've got a notion that she kinda loves being the center of attention, that's just who she is. She loves being a selfless and good friend and she loves supporting them as much as possible but at the same time she also loves having lots of friends and being supported...which is not exactly a bad thing ^^ That's highschool Brooke of course. Since season 6, maybe already in season 5, she changed a lot...she became more "level-headed" and quiet...but I love both sides of her ( =

Let me all tell you something who said that Peyton isn't needy cause she didn't ask for help well you can be very well needy without saying the proper words why do you think Peyton always needed someone when she struggled :when her mom died she needed something-okay at this i guess everyone needs- , in season 1 after she let's say 'broke up' with Brooke she needed someone so she just hang out with Luke(like in 1x21 ,iirc is the episode where they go at Haley's party)in season 2 she needed again someone and Luke called Jake , in season 3 in the library she needed so much someone so she kissed him told him she loves him cause she needed him , in season 4 after the whole psyhco Derek stuff she needed again someone and that someone eventually was Luke in season 5 she came home cause she missed Lucas but she needed Brooke.Brooke isn't an attention seeker i mean i jusct cant see it.