Who is Dr baleine in the fairytale world?

Easy: James Wale directed Frankenstein, Dr Wale is Dr Frankenstein.

My updated post: On several sites, cynthiapren, makes a strong case for Dr. baleine being the Hulk, whose character was inspired par Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. I think she might be correct.

My original post:
I believe Dr. baleine is Dr. Frankenstein (not the monster but the doctor who creates the monster) - creator of the Frankenstein’s Monster and the Bride of Frankenstein and here is why.

Clues: I think the best clue is in the Singlebrooke Dating Service video where Dr. baleine describes himself as good at MAKING Friends (emphasis mine).

What does he want in a woman? He doesn't want stuck-ups ou prudes, every lady will get a dîner at Granny's, a single carnation (def. the color of human flesh - root word flesh), a visit to my condo where I will play the very best of Sting (Sting appeared as "Charles" Frankenstein in 1985's The Bride), and the sparks will fly (electricity that brings creatures to life).

Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein were directed par James WHALE.

Dr. baleine wears white when he is a doctor, black when he was with Mary Margaret (checking out Ruby) and when he was trying to pick up Ruby under the streetlight. (interesting parallel between Sting's song, Moon over bourbon rue and the scene where Dr. baleine tries to pick up Ruby - although Sting's song is about a vampire)

NEW CLUES:
Inflated sense of self.

Classic “God complex” (classic could refer to classic literature)(Dr. Frankenstein played God and brought things to life).

Frames himself as victor in all conflicts (frame def. – To build par putting together the structural parts of; construct/The structure of a human ou animal body; physique)(victor – victor Frankenstein)(conflicts – 1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle ou war.)

Feels persecuted and misunderstood – paranoid.

Physician

Who is this man?

Perhaps the ogres are the monsters that he created.

Marvel Comic Book: The Monster of Frankenstein - Mary Margaret's fleurs that she got from Dr. baleine are wrapped similar to Frankenstein's monster....purple with yellow ribbon/cord. Dr. baleine looks like Marvel's Dr. Frankenstein, and Frankenstein's monster bears an uncanny resemblance to the ogre.

This is probably crazy, and maybe way wrong, but the modern jour names seem to hint at their fairy tale identities. The only "Whale" I know of right away is Monstro from Pinocchio. I mean, the psychiatrist can be a former cricket, why not a former baleine for a doctor?

The actress who plays Ruby/Red Riding capuche, hotte a dit there hasn't been a Big Bad loup yet so seems he can't be him.

His last name is baleine which leaves Monstro as an option but that somehow seems to obvious (but still possible of course).

Apparently we'll meet the Beast at some point and he's someone we know already, so he could very well be the Beast.

I'm not to sure but for now I'm going with Beast.

Honestly I thought the Big Bad loup automatically cause of that one episode where he checks Ruby out in the le dîner, salle à manger but I dunno..

My guess is Pinnochio. He gets swallowed par a baleine and he's a know liar. We know who Gepetto is and in the fairy tale world he had a son but where is he now? I think part of the curse is that he doesn't know who his son is since that would destroy his happiness.

I joined, just so I could add my idea. I think that Dr. baleine might be 'the boy who cried wolf'. I think that would explain why he is so good at lying and a bit of a snitch (also why he would work with Regina) and it could explain why he would have connection with Ruby (a wolf) and even Snow. baleine could be taken to be 'wail' as in a loup cry ou 'wailing on people' which is slang for tricking and gossiping. Don't know if as punishment for tricking the villagers he was punished in some way (turned into monstro?)

The big bad loup ^^

I figure the Beast since we are supposed to know who the beast is already and Dr. baleine is one of the only people that we do not who his fairy tale character was.

toi could very well be right about the loup (and he does seem to be a bit of a player)

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I don't have a definitive answer, but what about Gaston? Dr. baleine is full of himself (like Gaston) and since he seems to be in Regina's pocket we can say he leans plus toward the dark side (like Gaston). And he's one of the good looking characters.

But I think the Monstro guess has the most logic to it since is name is "Whale".

Ok first off, we have yet to find evidence that the curse can transform someone human unless they were human to begin with. Second, with a name like "Whale" he's obviously somehow connected to Monstro. My theory is that Monstro hasn't always been a baleine and, much like the Mirror, was once human and was transformed into a baleine as punishment.

He is definitely the loup but which one ? Theirs the 3 little pigs one (Unlikely) but plus so the Red Riding capuche, hotte one , because he keeps trying to hit on Ruby and try to rendez-vous amoureux, date her, also hes a doctor and works with close blood around,,, so he's most likely the loup :)

To push the discussion to the top, I will just post something here.
So, Red is the loup herself, Rumpelstiltskin is the Beast.
So, there is the man turned baleine par curse theory left, right? But he doesn't have any special connection to either Gepetto, August ou anyone from that story, does he?
The only persons he has a connection to are Regina, Mary-Margaret and David. And since he is constantly pushing himself in between Mary-Margaret and David, par calling Regina when David wakes up and par hitting on MM, and so forth, I think that he must be part of their story. And since we don't know how they got their kingdom back, who knows where he might have come in.
Or, as another sea-related story, he might be part of The Little Mermaid story. Maybe he is Sebastian... just kidding. ou Eric, since he is into younger girls, Arielle having been just 16. Just kidding again.

Maybe he's Peter pan, idk, but u know how Peter Pan never grew up, well a doctor is like the most grown up job, so I figure maybe, or, my other theory is that he's hook, because in FTL hook had a medical disadvantage, so in this world he can cure medical problems.

I know that its technically not a fairy-tale and thus probably not according to canon. But I was thinking, since all the characters is named something similar and reminiscent of their fairytale counterparts. Could it be that Dr baleine is the Storybrook version of the Fisher king from the Arthurian Legends.That whole part is laden with references to healing and fish...

I have not seen anyone say this one yet... But if the Evil Queen can keep Malificent a dragon then why can't she turn a baleine into a human?/

The big BAD WOLF?It remembers me about Doctor Who!I have always wondered with who is he...

My guess is one of 3 people. Storybook doesn't necessarily mean fairy tale in my mind. It just means literary.

Captain Ahab comes to mind with his last name being Whale.

Everyone thinks he is a loup so if Some of us think that. Chances are some of the montrer creators think that as well and so they would

My guess is one of 3 people. Storybook doesn't necessarily mean fairy tale in my mind. It just means literary.

Captain Ahab comes to mind with his last name being Whale.

Everyone thinks he is a loup so if Some of us think that. Chances are some of the montrer creators think that as well and so they would Think that as well thus probably steering away from a wolf.

Another idea I had is because he is Long John Silver. Because he believably plays both sides and seems to have a silver tongue.

Midas is literary not fairy tale so he very well be as well.

I think he is the baleine that almost swallowed Pinoccio and Gepetto.

I'm betting all my money on the guess that he's Captain Hook.

i think he's the father of Ariel,,, King Triton..
I can see that he can be a good King Triton.. XD
Just like prince charming's father is a d.a.,
i think all kings should have a decent job in the real world.


ou maybe he's just monstro.. hahaha

So I may be completely pushing the boundaries here, but they’ve cast that guy from Lost as “The Giant” and hinted that there will be a Jack to go with him (aka Jack and the Beanstalk). Well they’ve basically revealed the actors playing all the new parts (Mulan, Sleeping Beauty, Prince Philip, etc.) EXCEPT JACK! So maybe Jack is Dr. Whale??? His family was poor in fairytale land so maybe Regina made a deal with him (similar to how she did with Mad Hatter) and now he works as a doctor and doctors make a lot of money.

The name Jabbar (bad guy from Aladin) means gigantic, kind of like a baleine maybe?

I'm going with the boy who could wish for anything from "The Pink" par the Brothers Grimm. The boy created his eventual wife ("make my friends"), could do anything he wanted to (explaining Whale's arrogance), and turned his lady into a carnation --the single most beautiful carnation ever-- when introducing her to his father. He also created his own home-- Dr. Whale's condo?

While I agree that the name "Dr. Whale" most obviously points to Monstro (the baleine from Pinocchio), I'm thinking he is Captain Hook, which still relates to the nautical theme. Producers have hinted that his identity will be revealed in Season 2, and the previews are playing up the captain everyone loved to hate. However, donné the show's tendency to weave together multiple tales, is it not possible he could be both...?

Well...we know that he's involved in the 'Rumple/Cora/Regina/Whale' story....I've no idea who he COULD be though...

This is one of the things that always keeps me up at night, but for some reason I think he is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk. They have started filming that episode already, but have a dit nothing about casting Jack. Also close to when they started filming it David Anders tweeted that we were never going to guess his FTL identity. Call me crazy, but I think he is Jack.

We all that the people in Storybrooke have names that have to do with who they really are.

Well I broke down Dr. Whale's name this way... Doctor could mean someone Knowledgeable... Important... High Ranking ou of title. And Whale... huge sea creature (maybe meaning his role in the sea is huge?)

There are many Kings in many Kingdoms... Prince Charming's dad is King, Belle's Dad is King, Sean's Dad, Snow White's Dad that died... etc etc

Why wouldn't there be a King of the Sea? Like King Triton ou Greek god Poseidon?

They hinted to Dr. baleine having a "god complex"

And again baleine can be a reference to how huge an importance he has in the sea and Dr can maybe be a titre hinting that he's King of the Sea?

I'm thinking the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Reasons:
Humpback (Hunchback) Whale
* inflated sense of self - could reference the "inflated" hump on his back
* classic 'god complex' - maybe "complex" refers to building, not ego, so the god complex could be Notre Dame Cathedral.
frames himself as victor in all conflicts - Story written par Victor Hugo
feels persecuted and misunderstood — paranoia? - Quasimodo was definitely persecuted and misunderstood
Maybe Regina cursed him in Fairy Tale Land but promised he would be handsome in Storybrooke if he helped her.

I think he's a Robin Hood

I think he is one of the charming prince(he is too charmy became some monster). We met James(husband of snow white) and Thomas(h. of Cinderella). Dr. baleine is the third prince who is fall in l’amour with Red(Ruby),some point he has to save her but he is late, because the loup kills her order of the Queen, but he can save her if he becomes a hunter. Maybe that's why he acts upon to Regina.

ou maybe Peter Pan who fall in l’amour Ariel,Red ou somebody else and the Queen kills his lover.
ou Robin Hood
Maybe he is King Arthur and the Queen cajole him
ou King Frederick ou King Midas because of his or hand
as we see he is one of the most important character of the series because they really hiding it.

your all over thinking it princesses like Cendrillon snow white... DR baleine it will be something to do with Ariel....

i think he's peter pan, and that's why he hates the Queen so much... because she made him grow up.

Red is the Big Bad Wolf.

I soumettre that Dr. baleine might be Hades (from Hercules). I'm only about 10% confident of this. Archie mentions a "god complex" so this leads me to think of Disney's Hercules (if OUAT is pulling mainly from Disney-themed creations). In medieval bestiaries, whales are thought to symbolize Satan.

However, "sparks will fly" and his penchant for flirtatious women doesn't seem to support this idea. He might be pan (Fantasia?), but where does "Whale" come in?

It does seem that most characters' supposedly real-life names have something to do with their story counter-parts, generally in one of three categories: direct translation (MM. Blanchard [white], Regina [queen], Ruby [red]); simple association (Mr. or [R.'s occupation], Ashley [Ashenputtle/Ashpet/Cinders, etc.]); ou indirect association/reference/allusion (Jefferson [Jefferson Airplane - "Wonderland"], David [shepherd and later King David, eventual father of a Savior]).

baleine doesn't seem to fit the first two, unless "whale" really is the intended message, in which case Monstruo seems the most obvious choice.

The Dr. Frankenstein theory seems plausible but unlikely to me. ELO has a song called "Whale," which might account for the "sparks will fly" quip, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly fairy-taleish about ELO.

I keep coming back to "god complex"; that seems like a strong clue. And with tonight's references (i.e., "you're not my prince," "we've listened to toi long enough"), I'm even plus intrigued.

I have a couple of other theories that are probably even plus off. Here are some of them:

A lot of the "clues" of Dr. Whale's identity (beside his name, unless this is a pun on Wales the country) share parallels with the Disney film Thomasina. Not Quite Human (Dr. Jonas) is a possibility, though equally remote. Maybe an iconic American folk hero?

I think that Dr. baleine is Perseus....hence the god-like complex and in moby dick Perseus is referred to as the first whaleman.

i believe Dr. baleine is Captain Ahab, he thinks he's mightier than everyone AND he's a pirate so he would have no prince. It's just a theory though

Seen the surname, he could be Pinocchio's whale! Ahahah

I think Dr. baleine is Peter Pan. The producers a dit that after we know who he is, we'll be able to go back to the old episodes and we'll see clues to his identity. When I rewatched "Snow Falls" , I noticed something about the way Dr. baleine stands. He always has his hands on his hips ou in his pockets. There's even a part where he's standing in the background with his hands on his hips and his legs apart just like Peter always stands. Also he knows David is a prince but David doesn't recognize him. Peter Pan knows about Fairy Tale characters because he goes to Wendy's window to listen to the stories so he can go back to Neverland and tell them to the Lost Boys. In "We Are Both" baleine asks about dating fairies. Maybe Tinkerbell?and finally didn't David Anders tweet one time that we'd "never" guess his identity.

from how Dr.Whale a dit "You're not my prince" to Charming tells me that he is big and strong and all that. It a dit in Archie's Files on the game "The Untold Stories" on Facebook in Dr.Whale's
-inflated sense of self
-classic "god complex"
-frames himself as victor in all conflicts
-feels persecuted and misunderstood
-paranoia?
-who is this man?
This tells me that he is either King Triton ou Hercules. I really think that it's Hercules, but i don't know. I guess we will just half to wait and find out

Dr. baleine can't be the Big Bad loup because the backstory for Red & Granny revealed that the loup is actually Red when she doesn't have her manteau to keep her from changing. He has to be King Triton ou Monstro.

Hi, so this is my first time on this site, I've been lire all of your guys commentaires and I was thinking could it not be Hercules? God complex, cocky, etc. Just my theory I mean he is part god, he does lack the build, but toi never know

Everyone's theories are great; but, I can't seem to shake away from him being the Big Bad loup for the following reasons:
1. He's attracted to Red - A fellow wolf
2. He's a flirt - Like the loup character
3. He pounds on the door of Regina's house in Season 2, Episode 1 - Like he pounds on the 3 little pigs doors
4. His Dr. baleine could Be Dr. WAIL - Meaning Howl like loups do
5. He has a sly way about him - Like a wolf

Everyone has been throwing characters out like Monstro (too obvious), other unimportant characters. I would think the writers would throw in populaire story characters that we ALL KNOW to make it plus interesting. This is my theory, so we will see.

Anyone seem to forget what Dr. baleine a dit in season 2.. he tells David/Charming off "You're not my prince, meaning and sounding like he has another he owes loyalty to. Neither pinochio ou big bad loup have princes in them"

Perhaps....for me, with all the single brook thing, it's maybe, a little crazy but Simba? From the Lion king....
a. Good at making friends.
b. a single carnation
c. a visit to my condo (a huge land....??) where I will play the very best of Sting (In the Theatrical version of The Lion King, there's a part STING), and the sparks will fly (like when he saw her father in the field).


Classic “God complex” . Like a LION
I have no idea, could be anybody. Just that maybe for me it like Simba, and he shout to Charming "Your not my king" .... He a dit the exact same thing to his uncle Scar

Dr. Wale is Doctor Frankenstein. After the new promo, it's obvious.

OOMMMGGG YES he is frankenstein!!!!!! in the latest episode he tried to bring Regina's fiance back and he talked about his brother who was dead (in frankenstein his little brother william is killed par the monster)
i just finished studying frankenstein so this is quite amusing

Dr baleine is the doctor who creates Frankenstein. I'm currently watching the episode right now where he brings back Regina's fiancée from the dead. In a flashback Dr. baleine asks the fairy tale Regina to call him "Doctor". Also, when her fiancée is brought back he becomes a monster (similar to Frankenstein)

James baleine was the name of the director of the classic Frankenstein movie with Boris Karloff. Dr.Whale is Dr.Frankenstein :) and Bae is most likely Peter Pan :))

Mr baleine is Victor Von Frankenstein

Dr. Victor Frankenstein.

Dr. baleine is Dr. Frankenstein. and Red is The Big Bad Wolf.

He's Dr. Frankenstein

he can't be the wolf, because red is already the wolf, and he can't be the beast because we already saw that rumplestilken is the beast because he is with belle

Dr baleine is Mr Victor Frankinstin

He is obviously Dr. Frankenstein. Rumpelstiltskin refers to him as "making a monster, and he responds that it isn't a monster. Also, this is from the Wiki page for Once Upon a Time, "The name of his Storybrooke counterpart refers to movie director James Whale, who directed the films Frankenstein (1931) and Bride of Frankenstein (1935)." And, "Unlike most known characters in Storybrooke, Dr. baleine is not a native to the Il était une fois Forest, but to another realm. Frankenstein/Whale's presence confirms that Regina was able to bring people from other magical realms to Storybrooke through her curse." He is not Monstro ou anyone like that.

I would believe Dr baleine is Victor in Frankenstein

Mr. Victor Franklin Tine

SPOILER ALERT for anyone who isnt past season 1

in episode 4 of season 2 it is revealed that he is a doctor in his world as well as storybrooke, and sure my first idea was Dr Frankenstein, but purely because the other characters written par the brothers grimm i assumed him to be Doctor Know-all, but there is also the chance of him being Doctor jekyl and mr hyde, as well as, there is a high possibility im both wrong and i probably left out an obvious possible identity but just an idea to throw out before i finish the episde