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Why is Harry Potter plus successful than Twilight?

 LottieVal99 posted il y a plus d’un an
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JaseKS said:
Because it appeals to all tastes.

Romance: There is some slight romantic appeal that applies to most characters.

Horror: It has a horror edge to it.

Fantasy: Wizards. Nuff' said.


Where as Twilight contains mostly romance. It also isn't that well written. Stephanie Myers uses large words that no one else does in a casual conversation just to hide the fact that she has an underdeveloped style of writing.


Also, the problem with Twilight is, many of the characters are underdeveloped. I mean, people like Jasper ou Victoria could be awesome characters, but Stephanie is too busy focousing on one character. Edward. And even he is underdeveloped.

I also thing that because all the guys are fawning over Bella, it doesn't seem relatable. At least the characters in Harry Potter have flaws, making them plus realistic. It also has a solid back story, and isn't as scattered. I feel like the events in twilight are a jumbled mess.
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I see the logic in this. A book that appales to a wide variety of audiences is bound to have plus success. But Twilight is on the horror edge too.
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
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I suppose, it depends on how toi look at it, I guess.
JaseKS posted il y a plus d’un an
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'Tis true it all depends on how much gore one can handle.
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alisonfaith297 said:
there are 5 main reasons:
#1 the HP films have gained much better critic reception than the twilight films, seriously, based on metacritic (which is a well recognized sites where is gives an global, ensemble score of film considering all possible critic scores)
HP average scores: 74%
Twilight: 51%

SCores par Rotten Tomatoes (another site which gather up scores but calculates in a different way)
HP average: 85%
twilight average:39%

#2 HP livres are way better in literary terms, JKR has won quite a few prestigious book awards while steph meyer has only gain some titles from places such as entertainment weekly for auteur of the year, (take note, when her book gain plus popularity, JKR published majority of the HP novels already). to back up my story more, this is a quote from Stephen king (who in case toi dont know, is an extremely well noted auteur in the literary world): "the real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer, and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good.people are attracted par the stories, par the pace and in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's écriture to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a sûr, sans danger joining of l’amour and sex in those books. It's exciting and it's thrilling and it's not particularly threatening because it's not overtly sexual. A lot of the physical side of it is conveyed in things like, the vampire will touch her forearm ou run a hand over skin, and she just flushes all hot and cold. And for girls, that’s a shorthand for all the feelings that they’re not ready to deal with yet."

#3 That quote par stephen king leds to my third point, speaking as a female of this generation ( not to be feminist ou anything), i find that the entire story of twilight to be very demeaning, it makes it sound like all girls can do is not help to fall in l’amour with a guy and if the guy were to leave her, her whole world will fall apart.

#4 to be honest, i dont see much plot in the movies, it plus of people screaming over the fact that taylor lautner has nice abs, and robert patterson is sparkly??? In HP, there is an actually story toi can follow while twilight plot just seems to be predictable.

#5 lets just be honest here, most of us here would rather watch a good battle between good and evil ( Harry Vs Voldy) while watch a girl named bella, fall for some guy and well the rest is history.
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 there are 5 main reasons: #1 the HP films have gained much better critic reception than the twilight films, seriously, based on metacritic (which is a well recognized sites where is gives an global, ensemble score of film considering all possible critic scores) HP average scores: 74% Twilight: 51% SCores par Rotten Tomatoes (another site which gather up scores but calculates in a different way) HP average: 85% twilight average:39% #2 HP livres are way better in literary terms, JKR has won quite a few prestigious book awards while steph meyer has only gain some titles from places such as entertainment weekly for auteur of the year, (take note, when her book gain plus popularity, JKR published majority of the HP novels already). to back up my story more, this is a quote from Stephen king (who in case toi dont know, is an extremely well noted auteur in the literary world): "the real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer, and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good.people are attracted par the stories, par the pace and in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's écriture to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a sûr, sans danger joining of l’amour and sex in those books. It's exciting and it's thrilling and it's not particularly threatening because it's not overtly sexual. A lot of the physical side of it is conveyed in things like, the vampire will touch her forearm ou run a hand over skin, and she just flushes all hot and cold. And for girls, that’s a shorthand for all the feelings that they’re not ready to deal with yet." #3 That quote par stephen king leds to my third point, speaking as a female of this generation ( not to be feminist ou anything), i find that the entire story of twilight to be very demeaning, it makes it sound like all girls can do is not help to fall in l’amour with a guy and if the guy were to leave her, her whole world will fall apart. #4 to be honest, i dont see much plot in the movies, it plus of people screaming over the fact that taylor lautner has nice abs, and robert patterson is sparkly??? In HP, there is an actually story toi can follow while twilight plot just seems to be predictable. #5 lets just be honest here, most of us here would rather watch a good battle between good and evil ( Harry Vs Voldy) while watch a girl named bella, fall for some guy and well the rest is history.
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everything toi a dit is true and i l’amour the picture
noobio7143 posted il y a plus d’un an
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^When did she say that King was a jerk solely because he doesn't support Twilight?
VampiresRevenge posted il y a plus d’un an
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No, I didn't mention Twilight.
cassie-1-2-3 posted il y a plus d’un an
cassie-1-2-3 said:
Financially?
plus people have bought the Harry Potter livres and movies.
That is all.

I think they're both pretty much equal when it comes to any other form of success.
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thats not true, the only way in success that twilight is plus successful. and that would be twilight saga site has plus fans than HP site on FANPOP.
alisonfaith297 posted il y a plus d’un an
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ok.. hold on.. just stop right there.. HP livres ARE WAY BETTER.. toi can argue about the movie an i agree it tends to go back and forth but when it comes to book.. NO FEAKIN WAY! the hp livres are way better, granted some peopel just bought the livres for the sake of lire but HP livres in the literary world is very well received unlike twilight on the other hand...
alisonfaith297 posted il y a plus d’un an
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Says you, not me. Sorry. I o.ly bought them because I try to complete every series I start, no matter if I like it ou not. I had no intention on lire any of the livres "quickly", so a bibliothèque was out of the question.
cassie-1-2-3 posted il y a plus d’un an
bri-marie said:
Luck. When it comes to entertainment, that's all it really boils down to.
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luck is one part.. but being lucky can only get toi so far...
alisonfaith297 posted il y a plus d’un an
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Luck is only a factor...
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
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Not really. There are livres way better than HP (and Twilight) that are in the shadows. There are livres that are worse than HP (and Twilight) that are extremely popular. J.K. (and Meyer) got lucky.
bri-marie posted il y a plus d’un an
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I agree, bri-marie.
VampiresRevenge posted il y a plus d’un an
noobio7143 said:
because harry potter is better. nuff said.
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Exactly!(like your icone btw ^^)
vampiressJazz posted il y a plus d’un an
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thanksh
noobio7143 posted il y a plus d’un an
zanhar1 said:
- it's been around longer
- it's original unlike twilight, there are hundreds of vampire romances
- the fans seem plus dedicated in my opinion
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There are hundreds of wizard adventures too
youknowit101 posted il y a plus d’un an
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^ yeah pretty much what dracofan a dit (I can't believe it! dracofan toi make me change my opinion about toi just from this one comment!) O_O
ClaireVoyant posted il y a plus d’un an
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^ Thanks? lmao
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ThePrincesTale said:
Apart from having a better plot, and better characters, and things like that, there are plus mundane reasons- I will focus on these and try to be unbiased.

One of these is who they are both targetted for. Twilight (mostly) only appeals to teenage girls. Harry Potter, on the other hand, can be read par anyone in any age group, from a 6-year-old to a 90-year-old, and par any gender.

I think Harry Potter also stands out more. As a plus unique story, it does not blend into all the other vampire romances as Twilight does. Harry Potter, as I see it, is quite unique in its genre. Not only this, it is more than one genre, with a hint of romance, and mystery, and horror added to the fantasy- this just aids it in its intrigue. While Twilight, I think, is pure romance.

Harry Potter is also plus distinguished, with JK Rowling having earned plus awards and plus prestigious awards in literacy. This actually does help in people's choosing of a book.
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IKR!! i like buying book when i know ou have some kind of shiny medal printed on the front.. lols.. call me cheesy but i like it!
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dalilee said:
Nawl baby!! Twilight is way better than harry potter!!!! Ill admit that I l’amour harry potter but aint no way he got twilight beat.
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^mmmmhmm?
dracofan001 posted il y a plus d’un an
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yeah right :P
dracofan001 posted il y a plus d’un an
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I agree with zanhar1.
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vampiressJazz said:
I'll make this short and sweet. Harry Potter unlike Twilight actually had a plot, and well developed characters and ideas that actually make sense unlike vampires that light up like a christmas arbre when they go out into the sun!
Also Twilight is really Cliche.

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Agreed
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
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If that were the case, Twilight wouldn't be successful at all. You're trying to give reasons why Twilight isn't successful, and you'll be wrong no matter what toi say because there's no denying that Twilight IS successful.
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I think that Harry Potter has a little plus success due to the écriture and the controversy surrounding the books' intentional theme. Whereas Twilight didn't face as much, yet became successful on another level.
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noturcreeper said:
because harry isnt as much of a wuss as edward
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 because harry isnt as much of a wuss as edward
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THIS.
JaseKS posted il y a plus d’un an
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lmao true
noobio7143 posted il y a plus d’un an
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The sparkle part really ruin the horror and serious atmosphere the auteur try to create. It's like trying to make people scared but we ended up laughing. (at least in most of the case)
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GoldnSnitch_96 said:
I havent read any of the Twilight livres cause I don't want to be bashed par everyone at my school and the fact that I have heard too many bad things, but I watched one of the movies, and my analysis was: It went absolutely no where. There wasn't much action, and as far as romance went, I have been plus touched par episodes of the Simpsons. So I guess cant really bash Twilight too much cause I dont know a great deal about it, but I guess at the end of the day, Harry Potter was plus appealing. It appealed to me,and I l’amour it. I find it dramatic, intense, and simply, well, EPIC. The plot is so rich and it progresses smoothly, and also I think Twilight appeals plus to those who ...well, saying less sophisticated would be cruel, but then again, the majority of the fans I have met only rave on about how hot the guys are. Like really. Thats it? Hot guys? Psh.

But thats probably the global, ensemble reason, it mostly appeals to horny girls, to put it bluntly and Harry Potter appeals to EVERYONE. Like seriously, anyone can read it.
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*awaits an argument*
GoldnSnitch_96 posted il y a plus d’un an
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It's cool, but saying stuff like that makes toi look immature and toi don't want that image.
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
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@zanhar1, correct, and especially not on a place like this.
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dracofan001 said:
why i think it is: well people can relate better to the characters in harry potter. i mean most people will read stories/ watch films based on how relatable/likeable the characters are. i mean true some people will watch films like twilight and wish they had hot guys like edward and jacob fighting over them, but most people will like to see other people going through their difficult situations and problems. Anyway the point is that "It does not do to dwell on dreams, and forget to live." --Albus Dumbledore. See twilight is not relatable. harry potter is. people like films that are relatable.

my point:

people are most likely to read livres that help them get through things. they like to know (like i a dit above) that other people went through their problems and got through them. no person has the problem of vampires and loups garous fighting over them.
and this DOES have to do with the question... it is why plus people read/like harry potter and it is plus succesful.
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Wow, none of that applies to me at all.
cassie-1-2-3 posted il y a plus d’un an
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@cassie-1-2-3 i really don't care
dracofan001 posted il y a plus d’un an
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That's fine.
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Bubba38 said:
harry potter is plus successful than twilight plus multiple reasons. 1. rowling gave depth to many characters which included flaws and tht made them plus relatable, she didnt focus just on 1 ou 2 people. 2. there was multiple angles to evry storyline...the pros and cons were included and it made ta reader really think wat was gonna happen. 3. it had plus than 1 subject: there was love, vengence,friendship,fights within friendship and ta feeling of having a family. 4. it realted to plus people...twilight is mostly for teenage girls where HP is loved my all ages male ou female. basically global, ensemble HP connects with people on multiple levels and just has a better storyline.
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missceleb86 said:
twilight has no plot all it is bout is the fact that cloche, bell an 18 yr old girl falls in l’amour with edward who is 108 yr old vamp and who has never fallen in l’amour in all his yrs which is pretty stupid and that bella is so helpless all she can do is screan "EDWARD!" when he is getting thrashed par the volturi and when he's away she wants to kill herself. i mean like seriously girl get a life. Hp on the other hand had love, adventure, good and bad cool dangerous dementors and death eaters and it had Lord Voldemort who is the most formidable wizard.
And on IMDb which is a well known critics site twilight breaking dawn part 1 had scored 4.8 out 10 and hp 7 part 2 has scored 8.5 out of 10 and Hp also beat Batman dark knight which is like a very good film. So i think enough is said
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ClaireVoyant said:
wow, so many big answer.
I'll try to answer it from different pov: the fans/fandom

- some of toi a dit that it's because HP has been around longer. it doesn't always happen that way though.
Most of populaire movies/books, became populaire thanks for the fan. (i.e. par the amount of fanfic, doujinshi, fanart, graphic ETC) I've seen people already create a lot of fanart and fanfic for a movie that's just out this an (ex; thor, X-men first class) because they are just THAT good.

- if people loved one movie. toi can be sure that the fandom will grow. and the amount of fanfic/art/doujinshi will sky rocketing. for this to happen, the fans need a movie that not only they can enjoy while they watching it in cinema. but also have a hidden subplot/subtext that they can bring to the fandom as a plot/subplot.

-considering HP has plus mystery, and always have unexpected surprise every time the new livres came. no wonder if the fans have a field jour palying with the plot. oh, the possibility toi can make in J.K Rowling livres are almost limitless... and toi wonder why people never tired of harry potter?

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well, toi might not understand half the thing I a dit up there...
but my point is.
Base on the fandom (what I see)

HarryPotter=
-fanfiction; HP have about 500,000 in ff.net alone not to mention other site like LJ, HexFiles,RestrictedSection, dreamwidth, etc
-Doujinshi; GUH! the amount of doujinshi the japanesse fandom made for HP alone... I've seen hundreds of it in one site alone (sadly i have no paypal)
-fanart/graphic ; are toi kidding me? just Google Harry potter in DA alone, not to mention tumblr and other site.

Twilight=
-fanfiction; about 180.000 in ff.net, and the one in LJ I heard it was not that active.
-doujinshi ; the japannesse one, i have yet to see. i have only see one graphic novel of twilight but it's official, published in america (if i remember correctly)
-fanart : quite a lot in DA but toi have to discount the hate-art...
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twilight story was quite predictable (the princip of vampire vs werewolf has been recycled too many times). it doesn't provide the audience a new set of world that the fans can 'explore' like HP.
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wow, maybe a little too long... I'll éditer later when the internet connection a little better...
ClaireVoyant posted il y a plus d’un an
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Agreed
zanhar1 posted il y a plus d’un an
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kk :D
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HPfan236 said:
I think it is because Twilight seems to be aimed plus at teenage girls ou sometimes even mothers while Harry Potter extends to Children, Grown Up's, Teenagers, etc..
In my eyes harry potter also has plus plus moral lesson's and sends a plus positive messages. beside's having the moral lessons HP is also full of action, adventure, suspense, and a little dash of Romance.
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brendaluvbunny said:
becuz harry potter is a timeless beautiful story about conquerin evil and twilight is about a girl who is playin 2 guys and finally piks 1 also 4 harry potter the films were made beautifully with good actors and lots of work put in 2 it while twilight has some good actors and some not so good actors and not a lot of work into it
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Skyraven said:
Harry Potter was plus successful than Twilight in many ways. First off, it had much plus excitement and action in it, and many of the good guys die along with the bad. In Twilight, it has a big happy 'all-of-us-survived-and-the-bad-people-are-dead' ending. People like action and thrills, they don't want to sit there and read about Edward's looks for fifty pages ou about how miserable Bella is without him.

And speaking of Edward and Bella, the characters in Harry Potter were all realistic. They had their flaws, their strengths, none of them were absolutely perfect and loved par everyone. Take Hermione for example. She can be annoying, ou a know-it-all, but without her, Harry and Ron would be doomed. On the contrary, Bella is perfect, beautiful, and loved par everyone. The minute she steps into her school, all of the guys want to rendez-vous amoureux, date her. She's absolutely depressing, flawless, and cannot live without Edward par her side. Unlike Hermione, who's brave, independent, and willing to fight, Bella needs her guy for everything and is pretty much useless as a human. She also thinks that Edward stalking her and watching her sleep is romantic, which is a terrible example for young girls. It might trick them into believing that they cannot live without a man, that stalking is okay. It is NEVER okay!

The Harry Potter plot, even though it involves wizards and magic, is very original in the events, while Twilight is just another vampire l’amour story. In HP, there's always danger, trials, and inner troubles the characters have to face. In Twilight, there's about five pages of action and then everything's solved. That's it.

These are HUGE reasons contributing to why Harry Potter is so much plus successful-it has a deep, thought-out storyline that every Harry Potter fan can lose themselves in, realistic characters that we l’amour and relate to, plenty of excitement and action that leaves us wondering what happens next. When our favori characters die, we seem to never stop grieving for the loss even if it is fiction. Even when the Deathly Hallows ended and we set the book down, it seems to never really end.

That's why Harry Potter is plus successful-it has everything a real literature lover wants. Action, adventure, a good plot, developed characters, deaths on both sides, and real romance. People do not fall in l’amour par looking at each other. All of the romance in Harry Potter was spread over the years; the two started as friends, and it grew into something stronger, deeper. While Twilight may have 'hot' guys, romance and drama, all that, it only really appeals to teenage girls, while anyone can read and enjoy Harry Potter. Nobody likes an unoriginal plot, ou weak characters, no action....that's why Harry Potter was always a step ahead of Twilight in success.
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All the "bad people" did not die in Twilight.
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i agree.. hermione is a much better role model. she choice her a path to fight good and evil instead of following ron.. livres DO.. livres BEING A PART OF MASS MEDIA DO! I DID AND ENTIRE rapporter ON THIS AND STILL AM.. IT DOES MAKE AN IMPRESSION!!
alisonfaith297 posted il y a plus d’un an
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It makes an impression, but it doesn't force people to do everything people read about.
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keep_smiling said:
I think its the story matter! Harry Potter is about friendship, courage and sacrifice. Not some l’amour triangle.J K rowling is simply marvellous! Nuf said!
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:D
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ArcticWolf said:
Harry Potter interests a greater range of people, so logically plus people read the livres and watch the movies. That's pretty much it. As others have said, I also think Harry Potter has a better plot and characters, but I really don't think that has much to do with the popularity. I think it all just comes down to basic interests.
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lollypop94 said:
- hp is unisex
- there are plus hp livres and films so plus sales
- hp been going longer so multi-generational
- hp is less controversial
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TsubasaPotter said:
Characters in Harry Potter have their stories. I don't see that in Twilight, except Jacob, Bella, Edward. Just them? Pretty boring actually, i think Meyer should watching Korean Drama for it, if she want to make a good romance story, hehe
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annabell9122 said:
duh a harry potter is better

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