So this all happened when I made a post on specifically why I dislike Frozen.
Original post:
toi know I know some people dislike La Reine des Neiges because it's overrated, but I just don't like films that are "made for their time" I like films that strive to be classic. It's one of the main reasons I dislike Aladdin, Hercules, Frozen, and, though I like Raiponce more, that as well. I don't know, I just felt like I should say that.
That being the reason I disliked Frozen, some people thought that it was plus timeless than what I was giving it credit for.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I dislike La Reine des Neiges because of the story and the characters, although it is very overrated, that doesn't effect my decision as much.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Why is La Reine des Neiges and Raiponce only made for it's time? I understand Hercules and Aladin because of pop cultural references all over the place, but I think that Disney was trying to make La Reine des Neiges and Raiponce to last for a while. And films like Aladin did last a long time with a big fan base so. I don't now I'm probably way off.
misscindyspice commented…
Agree with Sk8er :3
KataraLover commented…
Aladin is actually considered a timeless classic, I think Hercules is too but I'm not sure. I think La Reine des Neiges is just the product of the time. But Raiponce seems timeless to me.
BelleRose829 commented…
Pop culture references die after time moves on, frankly none of my little cousins get genies jokes. Hercules is a tad plus timeless, but if toi can see something that relates to the now time and would be found say 50 ou 100 years il y a I wouldn't really like it. La Reine des Neiges is made for the time considering the whole "You can't marry a man toi just met" thing. Also Anna is a ball of awkwardness that say modern things like "I won't judge" and general being. The fact that it's CGI as well, toi wouldn't find that years il y a and in the future it'll be outdated. animé eyes on the girls and not the boys is also a product of our time. All toi need to do is look at all Genie's jokes in Aladin and The way people speak and act in Hercules and toi can see why it's made for its time. References Thebes as 1990's New York. I'm just not a particular fan about that. Just as Your ou our generation is for Aladin La Reine des Neiges will become that for the younger kids and some in my generation. And then in the suivant 30 ou so years when La Reine des Neiges is no longer "with it" there going to make another movie for the current time with better graphics and plot line ou what have you. That's why I'm not interested in those.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Hmm, interesting. I can see where your coming from, really. A person can make the argument that neither is, "Snow white and the seven dwarves" because Snow gets married right away and waits for a prince and doesn't do anything feministy ou whatever, yet the movie still stays with us and it's still marveled at for it's time. Time had gone by, and now Disney is updating it to fit the now time. If Disney went back and made SWTSD today it wouldn't be the box office success it was 70 years ago. So depending on how long Disney stays the films will change and look different and have different messages, but the people from those days can still look back to films made today and still enjoy them and still l’amour them. In fact, if I was watching La Reine des Neiges in the future I'd probably like it plus than I do today, I know it wouldn't be up to what we would have then but I'd still appreciate it and when it came out. I should of let somebody else take this debate, sorry, I don't think I worded it well.
22 hours ago
BelleRose829 commented…
Actually the classics to some extent are made for their time. However they are call "classic" for a reason, not of their terminology pertains to the time. Their aren't any Madelyne Monroe jokes, no "Well gee willikers bobby" phrases. Nothing that says we are taking something from what is populaire today. The animé eyes and the "I don't judge" from Anna are sources from today's pop culture. Genie makes several jokes about old célébrités and even though I know who they are (thanks to older kids) I still don't understand the reference as I wasn't born in that time and I don't understand how it could be funny.
If say Cendrillon made a reference to Gilagans island ou quoted something from a black and white movie the majority of the world today wouldn't get it, ou even understand it was a quote. Something that pertains to time is when it hasn't changed in centuries. The way women act HAS changed so toi can't really say that the way they act is from the time. However the way we speak HAS'NT changed, we still use formal literature, something like YOLO would be a product of the time. Even the humor of something can be a "now" thing. Like in Raiponce how Flynn says "I don't sing" but then they point their knives at him and he sings, that too can be Lost to the future generation.
CGI, Big eyes and internet slang are from the current time. Even pawned Kristoff a dit about his sleigh "but I just paid it off" none of the classics make any reference to cars. Also how Anna says "foot size doesn't matter" and "all men do it" toi don't see the classics doing that because it's set in the time period of the movie (1300's for Sleeping Beauty ect.) Why would toi do anything that hints to the time it was made if toi want it to be classic. We don't ride in wagons anymore so if SnowWhite were to say "But I paid 16 whole shillings for that" we don't know what shillings are ou that she actually didn't have to pay it slowly over time. In the suivant 100 ou so years I can assume we either won't being using cars ou it'll be MUCH different. If toi put any modern references in the mouth of a classic DP toi can tell the difference and why one is classic and one is modern ou revival ou renaissance.
324anna commented…
I see what toi mean, but those things never bothered me in the movies, I dislike how they've made Anna and Rapunzel plus modern though.
hajirah4 commented…
OH. We're getting DEEP here! :O This is a pretty awesome debate. I'm on BellRose's side, Disney was a big competitor for... the cartoon that produced Betty Boop, (Warner Bros?) and their competitors weren't timeless, obviously. There were many adult jokes and extreme themes associated with them and the way Disney beat their funny material was par making sure everything was classical- just like it came from a storybook. That's why we see Aurora being wakened up par the Phillip and not Tom and Jerry. That's what sets Disney apart from, every other competitor it had. While a lot of it's films were kind of giving in to the competitor bowl, the classics are remembered and treasured today because they're timeless. They never get old. Frozen, Despicable Me, Rio, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? I don't think anyone will remember them. (I don't wanna be really harsh and say Brave, because it was a decent movie and did a great job at being timeless.
The story itself, wasn't that great imo.) And look at Wall-E, Up, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc- everyone will remember them. And there were some sly modern jokes hidden amongst the ones I listed, but a fad will soon come to fade. Okay, where am I going with this? I'm not saying that Aladin won't be remembered, heck Mulan is just growing from internet famous and the Black Cauldron has always stayed internet famous :( My point is, being timeless is what sets Disney apart from Bluesky studious, Warner Bros, etc... La Reine des Neiges wouldn't even have to be classic for it to be a really huge hit like Toy Story, but when the story lacks depth and the modern jokes fill up for it, there's a problem. That's all I'm saying. I don't think that having modern jokes will make a movie forgettable in the future. I'm saying that an average story can get forgotten. Filler jokes only add in them. But look at ATLA. They're pretty modern, but aside, they have the 'normal' formula I was talking about.
MalloMar commented…
I really enjoyed lire everyone's opinions on this topic. I agree with a lot of/most of what hajirah and BelleRose said. There are some films that are made for a certain time period that I adore (Oliver & Company, A Goofy Movie, Aladdin), but the ones that aren't truly are classic. I actually think The Princess and the Frog was a pretty good effort toward "timelessness" Maybe I need to re-watch it, but I don't really remember anything that shouts "2000s"
dimitri_ commented…
I definitely see where you're coming and I do prefer timeless movies. Except if it just oozes the 90s, so bias of me :P and the reasons Aladin and Hercules are considered classic is because they were in that hand-drawn area IMO.
BelleRose829 commented…
Yeah, basically there is the Museum of Modern Art in New York and there is the Louvre in Paris, the fact of the matter there are both master pieces in their own way, but one is plus traditional and one is expressing what it is in the now. Both are great, I just prefer the Louvre something classic (SnowWhite), but others can still like MoMA (Tangled). They are products of their time and that can last for some time, but it's going to fade. People don't really understand older slang, for a reason they are trends, none of us wear 1940's poodle skirts because that was populaire then, not now. There is a traditional way of being and it's sticking to a specific time period, jumping in and out of the setting isn't.
The way the way films taken out of the time is ok this is the 1800's what was going on at this time? Ah right this this and this, oh let's throw in a modern joke about Michael Jackson. Even so they don't reference to famous actors in the 1800's because unless you're a history buff toi aren't going to get the joke. All the same I can apprieate modern movies, but it's very easy to see that they are made for their time i.e. The Lego Movie, Aladdin, A Goofy Movie, High School Musical, La Reine des Neiges ect.
And we had a little debate, I thought why not make it formal so I could see what the vast majority thinks. So leave your commentaires below. :3
Original post:
toi know I know some people dislike La Reine des Neiges because it's overrated, but I just don't like films that are "made for their time" I like films that strive to be classic. It's one of the main reasons I dislike Aladdin, Hercules, Frozen, and, though I like Raiponce more, that as well. I don't know, I just felt like I should say that.
That being the reason I disliked Frozen, some people thought that it was plus timeless than what I was giving it credit for.
avatar_tla_fan commented…
I dislike La Reine des Neiges because of the story and the characters, although it is very overrated, that doesn't effect my decision as much.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Why is La Reine des Neiges and Raiponce only made for it's time? I understand Hercules and Aladin because of pop cultural references all over the place, but I think that Disney was trying to make La Reine des Neiges and Raiponce to last for a while. And films like Aladin did last a long time with a big fan base so. I don't now I'm probably way off.
misscindyspice commented…
Agree with Sk8er :3
KataraLover commented…
Aladin is actually considered a timeless classic, I think Hercules is too but I'm not sure. I think La Reine des Neiges is just the product of the time. But Raiponce seems timeless to me.
BelleRose829 commented…
Pop culture references die after time moves on, frankly none of my little cousins get genies jokes. Hercules is a tad plus timeless, but if toi can see something that relates to the now time and would be found say 50 ou 100 years il y a I wouldn't really like it. La Reine des Neiges is made for the time considering the whole "You can't marry a man toi just met" thing. Also Anna is a ball of awkwardness that say modern things like "I won't judge" and general being. The fact that it's CGI as well, toi wouldn't find that years il y a and in the future it'll be outdated. animé eyes on the girls and not the boys is also a product of our time. All toi need to do is look at all Genie's jokes in Aladin and The way people speak and act in Hercules and toi can see why it's made for its time. References Thebes as 1990's New York. I'm just not a particular fan about that. Just as Your ou our generation is for Aladin La Reine des Neiges will become that for the younger kids and some in my generation. And then in the suivant 30 ou so years when La Reine des Neiges is no longer "with it" there going to make another movie for the current time with better graphics and plot line ou what have you. That's why I'm not interested in those.
Sk8er__grl commented…
Hmm, interesting. I can see where your coming from, really. A person can make the argument that neither is, "Snow white and the seven dwarves" because Snow gets married right away and waits for a prince and doesn't do anything feministy ou whatever, yet the movie still stays with us and it's still marveled at for it's time. Time had gone by, and now Disney is updating it to fit the now time. If Disney went back and made SWTSD today it wouldn't be the box office success it was 70 years ago. So depending on how long Disney stays the films will change and look different and have different messages, but the people from those days can still look back to films made today and still enjoy them and still l’amour them. In fact, if I was watching La Reine des Neiges in the future I'd probably like it plus than I do today, I know it wouldn't be up to what we would have then but I'd still appreciate it and when it came out. I should of let somebody else take this debate, sorry, I don't think I worded it well.
22 hours ago
BelleRose829 commented…
Actually the classics to some extent are made for their time. However they are call "classic" for a reason, not of their terminology pertains to the time. Their aren't any Madelyne Monroe jokes, no "Well gee willikers bobby" phrases. Nothing that says we are taking something from what is populaire today. The animé eyes and the "I don't judge" from Anna are sources from today's pop culture. Genie makes several jokes about old célébrités and even though I know who they are (thanks to older kids) I still don't understand the reference as I wasn't born in that time and I don't understand how it could be funny.
If say Cendrillon made a reference to Gilagans island ou quoted something from a black and white movie the majority of the world today wouldn't get it, ou even understand it was a quote. Something that pertains to time is when it hasn't changed in centuries. The way women act HAS changed so toi can't really say that the way they act is from the time. However the way we speak HAS'NT changed, we still use formal literature, something like YOLO would be a product of the time. Even the humor of something can be a "now" thing. Like in Raiponce how Flynn says "I don't sing" but then they point their knives at him and he sings, that too can be Lost to the future generation.
CGI, Big eyes and internet slang are from the current time. Even pawned Kristoff a dit about his sleigh "but I just paid it off" none of the classics make any reference to cars. Also how Anna says "foot size doesn't matter" and "all men do it" toi don't see the classics doing that because it's set in the time period of the movie (1300's for Sleeping Beauty ect.) Why would toi do anything that hints to the time it was made if toi want it to be classic. We don't ride in wagons anymore so if SnowWhite were to say "But I paid 16 whole shillings for that" we don't know what shillings are ou that she actually didn't have to pay it slowly over time. In the suivant 100 ou so years I can assume we either won't being using cars ou it'll be MUCH different. If toi put any modern references in the mouth of a classic DP toi can tell the difference and why one is classic and one is modern ou revival ou renaissance.
324anna commented…
I see what toi mean, but those things never bothered me in the movies, I dislike how they've made Anna and Rapunzel plus modern though.
hajirah4 commented…
OH. We're getting DEEP here! :O This is a pretty awesome debate. I'm on BellRose's side, Disney was a big competitor for... the cartoon that produced Betty Boop, (Warner Bros?) and their competitors weren't timeless, obviously. There were many adult jokes and extreme themes associated with them and the way Disney beat their funny material was par making sure everything was classical- just like it came from a storybook. That's why we see Aurora being wakened up par the Phillip and not Tom and Jerry. That's what sets Disney apart from, every other competitor it had. While a lot of it's films were kind of giving in to the competitor bowl, the classics are remembered and treasured today because they're timeless. They never get old. Frozen, Despicable Me, Rio, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? I don't think anyone will remember them. (I don't wanna be really harsh and say Brave, because it was a decent movie and did a great job at being timeless.
The story itself, wasn't that great imo.) And look at Wall-E, Up, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc- everyone will remember them. And there were some sly modern jokes hidden amongst the ones I listed, but a fad will soon come to fade. Okay, where am I going with this? I'm not saying that Aladin won't be remembered, heck Mulan is just growing from internet famous and the Black Cauldron has always stayed internet famous :( My point is, being timeless is what sets Disney apart from Bluesky studious, Warner Bros, etc... La Reine des Neiges wouldn't even have to be classic for it to be a really huge hit like Toy Story, but when the story lacks depth and the modern jokes fill up for it, there's a problem. That's all I'm saying. I don't think that having modern jokes will make a movie forgettable in the future. I'm saying that an average story can get forgotten. Filler jokes only add in them. But look at ATLA. They're pretty modern, but aside, they have the 'normal' formula I was talking about.
MalloMar commented…
I really enjoyed lire everyone's opinions on this topic. I agree with a lot of/most of what hajirah and BelleRose said. There are some films that are made for a certain time period that I adore (Oliver & Company, A Goofy Movie, Aladdin), but the ones that aren't truly are classic. I actually think The Princess and the Frog was a pretty good effort toward "timelessness" Maybe I need to re-watch it, but I don't really remember anything that shouts "2000s"
dimitri_ commented…
I definitely see where you're coming and I do prefer timeless movies. Except if it just oozes the 90s, so bias of me :P and the reasons Aladin and Hercules are considered classic is because they were in that hand-drawn area IMO.
BelleRose829 commented…
Yeah, basically there is the Museum of Modern Art in New York and there is the Louvre in Paris, the fact of the matter there are both master pieces in their own way, but one is plus traditional and one is expressing what it is in the now. Both are great, I just prefer the Louvre something classic (SnowWhite), but others can still like MoMA (Tangled). They are products of their time and that can last for some time, but it's going to fade. People don't really understand older slang, for a reason they are trends, none of us wear 1940's poodle skirts because that was populaire then, not now. There is a traditional way of being and it's sticking to a specific time period, jumping in and out of the setting isn't.
The way the way films taken out of the time is ok this is the 1800's what was going on at this time? Ah right this this and this, oh let's throw in a modern joke about Michael Jackson. Even so they don't reference to famous actors in the 1800's because unless you're a history buff toi aren't going to get the joke. All the same I can apprieate modern movies, but it's very easy to see that they are made for their time i.e. The Lego Movie, Aladdin, A Goofy Movie, High School Musical, La Reine des Neiges ect.
And we had a little debate, I thought why not make it formal so I could see what the vast majority thinks. So leave your commentaires below. :3
