O Tempora o Mores
Oh the times, oh the customs
This article is an appeal to all Twilight fans out there, I invite toi all to think over your good and bad actions here on fanpop and contemplate them.
I have seen and compared examples of the appearances of the fandoms Harry Potter and respectively Twilight when criticism appear in each other’s sites on fanpop and I am astounded par the comparatively aggressive tone the Twilight fans carried when they respond to the a dit criticism.
Compare the responses of: link
And: link ;
Notes are to be made that both internet addresses were found par searching for “Harry Potter sucks” and “Twilight sucks”. I will let toi draw your own conclusions while bearing in mind that these results are not representative for either fandom.
I recently came over this: link
while browsing fanpop and was truly shocked and much saddened to find so many aggressive and outright illegal threats being made upon the originator of this question. Why do fans of Twilight feel like they have to defend their fandom so ferociously? Why do they impose threats of death and destruction upon people who dislike their fandom? To me this is comparable to religious fanatism who spawns equally hostile threats.
Compare the following partial citations and quotes, preserved in their original spelling:
“Satan worshipping scum…Please die and go to hell…I hope toi get a painful disease like rectal cancer and die a slow painful death.” – Cited partially and out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 243, Richard Dawkins.
“We will not go quietly away. If in the future that requires violence just remember toi brought it on. My fusil, carabine is loaded.” - Cited out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 244, Richard Dawkins.
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! I COULD SHOOT U!!!! GET UR UGLY MEAN OLD SELF AAAAAWWWWWAAAAAAAAAY FROM THIS FANSITE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!” – Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, stephmfan215.
“stephmfan215 Ill help u kill here thats stupid to come on here if u dont like the saga now dont leave any plus questions and GET OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!” – Cited from same source as the précédant one, twimenfan.
“u r stupid for being n the twilight fan club so get out
I HOPE U ROT IN HELL AFTER ALL OF THEE PEOPLE KILL U AND I ALSO HOPE TAT U GET EATEN BUY NEWBORNS U BUM FACE” - Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, twiliholic17.
Now I would think that the intention of those citations are mutually inseparable, death and destruction. Agree ou disagree?
Why be so hostile? Twilight fans? In comparison the worst commentaire to link is “YOU.NEED.ENGLISH.LESSONS.” - Addicted2TV.
Then isn’t there a great and dishonourable discrepancy in regards of civility when one compares Twilight and Harry Potter fans? At least when toi look at the liens provided?
What does one make of the frequent fallacious arguments made in favour of Twilight? The good looking Edward and Jacob are frequently inferred par fans who believe this is a winning argument against criticism. Well, when one thinks through it properly, it’s not a winning argument, it’s fallacious.
What is a fallacious argument? Well, oxford English Dictionary Online defines Fallacy as:
noun (plural fallacies)
• a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments: the notion that the camera never lies is a fallacy
• Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid
• [mass noun] faulty reasoning: the potential for fallacy which lies behind the notion of self-esteem
I would like to point out definition two: Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
Yes, your argument is invalid, not applicable, a failure in reasoning. And as such can be discounted from the discussion.
What is the fallacious part of the argument “Edward is good looking; therefore Twilight is a good book.”? Well, it is an non sequitur fallacy, the statement/conclusion is not supported par the argument; and therefore it is unsound. For who would believe that a statement is valid when it is unsupported par the argument?
par the way: The oxford English Dictionary Online defines Non Sequitur as:
• A conclusion ou statement that does not logically follow from the précédant argument ou statement.
Summa Summarum: Dear Rabid Twilight fans, we are happily tired of being threatened and bothered par your fallacious statements. “Quousque tandem abutere, amici Twilightiae, patientia nostra? For how much more, Twilight fans, will toi abuse our patience?” Then can we not coexist in civility? Please?
And to the civil Twilight fans, we are very much grateful for your existence and hopefully toi will continue do the good work, because we mutually know that respect is two-ways.
Oh the times, oh the customs
This article is an appeal to all Twilight fans out there, I invite toi all to think over your good and bad actions here on fanpop and contemplate them.
I have seen and compared examples of the appearances of the fandoms Harry Potter and respectively Twilight when criticism appear in each other’s sites on fanpop and I am astounded par the comparatively aggressive tone the Twilight fans carried when they respond to the a dit criticism.
Compare the responses of: link
And: link ;
Notes are to be made that both internet addresses were found par searching for “Harry Potter sucks” and “Twilight sucks”. I will let toi draw your own conclusions while bearing in mind that these results are not representative for either fandom.
I recently came over this: link
while browsing fanpop and was truly shocked and much saddened to find so many aggressive and outright illegal threats being made upon the originator of this question. Why do fans of Twilight feel like they have to defend their fandom so ferociously? Why do they impose threats of death and destruction upon people who dislike their fandom? To me this is comparable to religious fanatism who spawns equally hostile threats.
Compare the following partial citations and quotes, preserved in their original spelling:
“Satan worshipping scum…Please die and go to hell…I hope toi get a painful disease like rectal cancer and die a slow painful death.” – Cited partially and out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 243, Richard Dawkins.
“We will not go quietly away. If in the future that requires violence just remember toi brought it on. My fusil, carabine is loaded.” - Cited out of context from “The God Delusion”, pp 244, Richard Dawkins.
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! I COULD SHOOT U!!!! GET UR UGLY MEAN OLD SELF AAAAAWWWWWAAAAAAAAAY FROM THIS FANSITE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!” – Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, stephmfan215.
“stephmfan215 Ill help u kill here thats stupid to come on here if u dont like the saga now dont leave any plus questions and GET OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!” – Cited from same source as the précédant one, twimenfan.
“u r stupid for being n the twilight fan club so get out
I HOPE U ROT IN HELL AFTER ALL OF THEE PEOPLE KILL U AND I ALSO HOPE TAT U GET EATEN BUY NEWBORNS U BUM FACE” - Cited from link ; the commentary of the question, twiliholic17.
Now I would think that the intention of those citations are mutually inseparable, death and destruction. Agree ou disagree?
Why be so hostile? Twilight fans? In comparison the worst commentaire to link is “YOU.NEED.ENGLISH.LESSONS.” - Addicted2TV.
Then isn’t there a great and dishonourable discrepancy in regards of civility when one compares Twilight and Harry Potter fans? At least when toi look at the liens provided?
What does one make of the frequent fallacious arguments made in favour of Twilight? The good looking Edward and Jacob are frequently inferred par fans who believe this is a winning argument against criticism. Well, when one thinks through it properly, it’s not a winning argument, it’s fallacious.
What is a fallacious argument? Well, oxford English Dictionary Online defines Fallacy as:
noun (plural fallacies)
• a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments: the notion that the camera never lies is a fallacy
• Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid
• [mass noun] faulty reasoning: the potential for fallacy which lies behind the notion of self-esteem
I would like to point out definition two: Logic a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
Yes, your argument is invalid, not applicable, a failure in reasoning. And as such can be discounted from the discussion.
What is the fallacious part of the argument “Edward is good looking; therefore Twilight is a good book.”? Well, it is an non sequitur fallacy, the statement/conclusion is not supported par the argument; and therefore it is unsound. For who would believe that a statement is valid when it is unsupported par the argument?
par the way: The oxford English Dictionary Online defines Non Sequitur as:
• A conclusion ou statement that does not logically follow from the précédant argument ou statement.
Summa Summarum: Dear Rabid Twilight fans, we are happily tired of being threatened and bothered par your fallacious statements. “Quousque tandem abutere, amici Twilightiae, patientia nostra? For how much more, Twilight fans, will toi abuse our patience?” Then can we not coexist in civility? Please?
And to the civil Twilight fans, we are very much grateful for your existence and hopefully toi will continue do the good work, because we mutually know that respect is two-ways.
Jacob: Let me call Bella.*dials Bella's number*
Operator: I am sorry. This person is talking to (Bella's voice)Edward Cullen. Please leave a message after the tone.
*tone never comes up*
Jacob: OH C'MON!
The suivant day.
Jacob: I want Bella NAO!*calls Bella*
(Answering machine): The Swans are out right now, please leave a message after the beep.
[beep never stops]
Jacob: OH C'MON!
The jour after that:
Bella: *makes a new answering machine*
Jacob: *calls*
[Machine]: Hi, its Bella. If its Jacob, stop leaving messages saying "OH C'MON!" and if your not a Cullen ou my dad, don't call me. At ALL!
*beep*
Jacob: NOOOOOO!
*beep*
Jacob: ?
*beep beep beep beep*
{This phone will self destruct in 3, 2, 1}
Jacob: OH C'MON!
[Check the TS spot to see who made it, its me. So don't kill me about 'You a volé, étole this!'].
Operator: I am sorry. This person is talking to (Bella's voice)Edward Cullen. Please leave a message after the tone.
*tone never comes up*
Jacob: OH C'MON!
The suivant day.
Jacob: I want Bella NAO!*calls Bella*
(Answering machine): The Swans are out right now, please leave a message after the beep.
[beep never stops]
Jacob: OH C'MON!
The jour after that:
Bella: *makes a new answering machine*
Jacob: *calls*
[Machine]: Hi, its Bella. If its Jacob, stop leaving messages saying "OH C'MON!" and if your not a Cullen ou my dad, don't call me. At ALL!
*beep*
Jacob: NOOOOOO!
*beep*
Jacob: ?
*beep beep beep beep*
{This phone will self destruct in 3, 2, 1}
Jacob: OH C'MON!
[Check the TS spot to see who made it, its me. So don't kill me about 'You a volé, étole this!'].
Created:~Alice~
Q: What to Edward and a Christmas arbre have in common?
A: Their balls are for decoration.
Bella: You're pale white and ice cold...I know what toi are.
Edward: Say it. Say it!
Bella: Vanilla Ice Cream!
Edward: Bella...
Bella: Yes?
Edward: I just want to know how much toi mean to me.
Bella: Aaw...
Edward: toi know, what with me being an ancient VIRGIN vampire and everything...
Bella: Yeah?
Edward: Well, people were starting to think I was, y'know-
Bella: Gay?
Edward: ...
Edward: Old fashioned.
Bella: ...
Bella: Oh.
Q: How do toi kill a brain?
A: Put it in the same room with Ms Meyer and her livres and wait for two minutes.
Q: What did bella say when the shops ran low off the glitter?
A: yeeew!!! Edward toi suck!!!!
Q: What to Edward and a Christmas arbre have in common?
A: Their balls are for decoration.
Bella: You're pale white and ice cold...I know what toi are.
Edward: Say it. Say it!
Bella: Vanilla Ice Cream!
Edward: Bella...
Bella: Yes?
Edward: I just want to know how much toi mean to me.
Bella: Aaw...
Edward: toi know, what with me being an ancient VIRGIN vampire and everything...
Bella: Yeah?
Edward: Well, people were starting to think I was, y'know-
Bella: Gay?
Edward: ...
Edward: Old fashioned.
Bella: ...
Bella: Oh.
Q: How do toi kill a brain?
A: Put it in the same room with Ms Meyer and her livres and wait for two minutes.
Q: What did bella say when the shops ran low off the glitter?
A: yeeew!!! Edward toi suck!!!!
Bella Sawn.... Hmmm.
If my bestfreind has loved me, kissed me, tried to ruin my relationship with my boyfriend, i wouldn't be all cool with him loving my child.... including because she's young and his old.
Bella didn't react properly.
I wanted her to get really mad, i wanted Jacob to be banned from seeing Nessie, not have 10 minutes go by, and his aloud to hold her again.
They say toi dont choose love, l’amour choose's you.
I believe in that but Reneseme, didn't get a choice? Somehow this imprinting thing assumes the person the wolfs are going to fall inlove with are going to l’amour them back?
In twilight saga this is the thing i do not understand ou get no matter how much i try...
and I just felt the need to let that out MDR even though i have so much plus i would like to let out.
If my bestfreind has loved me, kissed me, tried to ruin my relationship with my boyfriend, i wouldn't be all cool with him loving my child.... including because she's young and his old.
Bella didn't react properly.
I wanted her to get really mad, i wanted Jacob to be banned from seeing Nessie, not have 10 minutes go by, and his aloud to hold her again.
They say toi dont choose love, l’amour choose's you.
I believe in that but Reneseme, didn't get a choice? Somehow this imprinting thing assumes the person the wolfs are going to fall inlove with are going to l’amour them back?
In twilight saga this is the thing i do not understand ou get no matter how much i try...
and I just felt the need to let that out MDR even though i have so much plus i would like to let out.