ShadowFlame Wow, I never thought aboot this before. I never thought they could have been the same because Jadis died in LWW, and The Emerald Witch died in The Silver Chair. You make a good point, though this is a little short.

Dearheart I too have often wondered if Jadis and the Green Lady were the same. It's a fascinating subject (and a perfect what-if in the Narnia fan fiction world), and this was a cool article! It really makes one think. Here's my personal theory: It was the White Witch in another form. Remember what the hag said in PC?... "Whoever heard of a witch that [i]really[/i] died? You can always get them back." I think that during the Golden age and throughout the centuries after, the knowledge to call the White Witch back was passed on from generation to generation among the Fell Beasts and other evil creatures who still remained loyal to her. When the first attempt to call her was thwarted by the return of the Four, they waited until the next chance and made another attempt that was successful. But though it was the same person, she didn't return in the same form as the White Witch. She became the Lady of the Green Kirtle. *DUN DUN DUUUUUN* :) Anyway, I'm probably sounding like a total geek at this point so I'll shut up. :p

Farah1st this is very nice!

narnian_girl i dont think they're the same person... because although she is a witch and could come back form the dead... she would most likely keep her same identity... it was probably like some witch that was still loyal to her even after all those years... and centuries... and yeah... but... thats really just my opinion, because i dont REALLY know for sure...

becca85 Excellent article. Very nicely worded. As for my opinion, I think I need to go back and re-read the series and then cultivate my opinion.

Jadis-the-White This arguement has been going on for over 40 years now and will still go on for many more to come. I think they are the same person. Lewis was not a discriptive writter and kept things simple unlike Tolkien. The Green lady has no name or back ground she is just there, the only one in Narnia with no history, why is that? every other character has a background of sorts. I think it was because Lewis has already described her in other books and did not bother to go over it again. Lewis used sublminal messages in his works which is why I think Jadis is mentioned in all 7 books, she and Aslan are the only two that are. In Magician's nephew Jadis ate an apple and became immortal Aslan himself said that she would live like a goddess and grow strong in the dark magic. She was there when Aslan created Narnia and knew of the laws and deep magic Aslans father put in Narnia at the start. Only two knew of the deep magic and could use it Aslan and Jadis. Aslan also said that an evil had entered his new Narnia and evil would come from that evil, Jadis was the only evil to enter Narnia and all that happned was due to her even after LWW. Jadis after destorying Charn and her sister was the only one left alive of her race so the Green Lady can't be desended from her race. In all the books there is no defenate proof that Jadis was killed, all Aslan did was pounce on her, Lewis described every orther death in his books from Jewel ramming his horn into people, heads getting cut off ect,ect but nothing about Jadis just that he pounced on her. Jadis was immortal so how could he kill her? I think he just baninshed her as he did in MN with the tree but it died allowing her to come back into Narnia. In the book Horse and his Boy Bree the Horse says while talking about King Peter,that they drove away the Witch and the winter, not killed them, in PC the hag said who ever heard of a Witch that realy dies, in VotDT Jadis' dagger is on Aslans table and in SC the owls talk about her and her winter, so why so many referances to one person that is supposed to be dead. In the film VotDT Jadis tells Edmund she can never die that she will always be alive in his mind, but this was never in the book but temptation was, Jadis in another form. Lewis tells us in LWW that Jadis is desended from Lilith and is one of the Djin, she then in fact is not a witch but a female demon and can take any form she wants. Aslan is the son of god but in a lions form in Narnia and Jadis is the daughter of Lilith. I have posts on these in Jadis Queen of Narnia site. Jadis and the green lady are too similuar to be two different people, they are both tall,pale,beautiful, long black hair and could tempt men. Another clue is the Green ladys horse was white and was called Snowflake. Jadis was so powerful she kept father christmas out and the Green Lady had father time asleep in her underworld. Jadis and the Green Lady want to rule Narnia and won't let any thing stand in their way so If the Green Lady was around at the start as she knows all the history of Narnia and is immortal too then she would have been around at the same time as Jadis, and as Jadis did not set out to kill her as Jadis is power hungray and would have seen her as a threat did not so then they must be the same person.

Jadis-the-White Just to add Jadis on Charn when she blasted the doors to dust said to Digory "That's what happens to things and people that stand in my way". Jadis has a lust for power and to rule, she would have ruled Earth if it where not for Digory getting her out. Jadis is a loner and sees everyone and things as beneath her even Aslan, she is not the type to share power with anyone, its her or nothing. Jadis would not have had children as she hated them as did Lilith, so the Green Lady can't be her daughter. As I have said Jadis would have seen a daughter and the Green Lady as a threat to her rule as she did with Aslan and would have set out to stop them taking her kingdom away but she did not excepet for Aslan who she knew from the start. Lewis said that evil in Narnia was the kind of evil that pretends to be something it is not, Jadis tried to make out she was Human so she could be queen as all the kings and queens were desended from Adam and Eve and she is desended from Lilith. I think Aslan banished Jadis to the underworld as he could not kill her and Jadis took the form of the Green Lady and when you look at the two they are like twins, both have long black hair, both are pale, both are very beautiful, both are tall 7 feet, both can tempt men and both have very powerful magic (don't forget Jadis was almost equal in it to Aslan). So Jadis only changed three things her title from queen of Narnia to queen of the underworld, her name from white to green and her dress also from white to green. Lets face it if you were ploting to get Narnia back and had to be above ground sometimes you are not going to go around as the White Witch for all to reconanise you that would be stupid, and Jadis was always a very cunning and crafty person it would be the sort of thing she would do.

Justagirl412 Just to add to the above the white witch and green lady both have a chameleon identity. The white witch wasn't originally the white witch she was jadis lady of charn. She only became the white witch to match the spell of eternal winter she cast and when the spell was broken and summer returned to narnia she became the green lady or queen of the underworld to match her new environment. It would make no sense to return as the white witch since that wasn't even her name to start with. Also notice the lady of the green kirtle is never given a full name or back story but only described in exactly the same way as the white witch? I think it was supposed to be obvious they were they same person. They both represent satan and evil in the same ways, ie temptation forbidden fruit, even the serpent. She (jadis/white witch/lady of the green kirtle) symbolizes the persistence and immortality of evil in the mortal world and all the different forms it might come in. I think the vagueness lewis gave to the lady of the green kirtles identity and the white witches death is so people would notice the subtke symbolism and hiw it all draws back to religious themes like original sin and such

Bitterman does it stand to reason that all evil things in Narnia are related to Jadis? Aslan says she was the only evil in his otherwise perfect world in MN. Even if the Lady of the Green Kirtle is not Jadis, she is very possibly related in some manner to Jadis through the evil Jadis brought into Narnia.

harm123 possibly the same person there's enough evidence i think maybe it's but in dsacsi

harm123 possibly the same person there's enough evidence i think maybe it's her

harm123 sorry for the first comment i know I doesn't make sense I didn't mean to post like that I hit the wrong button and posted and couldn't edit it so I posted another one hopefully that makes more sense I'm sorry about that