Princesses Disney Most Feminist DP Movie Countdown! jour 5: Pick the LEAST Feminist! (Elimination based on comments)

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31 fans picked:
La Belle et la Bête
   39%
Raiponce
   39%
Pocahontas
   13%
Mulan
   10%
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Jessikaroo picked La Belle et la Bête:
10. Cinderella
9. Aladdin
8. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
7. Princess and the Frog
6. The Little Mermaid
5. Sleeping Beauty
4. ?

sorry this took forever to get up, finals have been killing me and my computer died a couple days ago. -_- This is also my explanation for why the article for the dp countdown is up.

I'm still dead set Tangled should leave soon, and might change my answer back to that. Mulan should leave soon too though, for similar reasons to PatF.
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rhythmicmagic picked La Belle et la Bête:
The Beast is very dominant in the relationship
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dimitri_is_hot picked La Belle et la Bête:
It values the woman's beauty and the man's power (money or however you want to see it).
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maryksand picked La Belle et la Bête:
BatB is the only Disney movie where a girl evidently experiences oppression from the side of two males with superiority complex, one of which she later ends up with (regardless of his personality change or introduction to table mannerism, it is still problematic). If it was about Belle the heroine I would say she is very much feminist because she clearly and directly rejects Gaston and all his gestures/pushy attitude as well as doesn't let Beast walk over her attempting to escape his castle at the first sign of aggression coming from him. There is also nothing wrong with appreciating his genuin effort to grow and learn from his mistakes. However, HOW it was presented in the movie makes BatB significantly problematic in my eyes because a newfound attachement to reading and obtaining table manners - and not because you wanted to or got invested in it naturally but because you're determined to impress a woman and measure up to her level/come off as appealing in her books - doesn't strike me as an organic character development that would make up for holding a girl hostage because you used both your male and royal privilege to do whatever you wanted nor does it come off as particulary feminist either.
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AllegroGiocoso picked Raiponce:
or BATB.
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PrincessHeather picked La Belle et la Bête:
Hard one i don't really know?
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Swanpride picked Pocahontas:
1. Pocahontas is in everything she does motivated by male influence
2. She mostly gets John's ear because she happens to be hot
3. The idea that it is a good way to marry Kokuum for protection is never refuted no even by Pocahontas herself.... she only wants a "different unsafe way"....which means the nice little girly can't be safe and protected without a man providing said protection.
Really, I don't think the ending makes up for anything which comes beforehand (and it is a disgrace that Sleeping Beauty didn't even make it into the top three, despite being the only movie with a mostly female cast!).
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maryksand picked La Belle et la Bête:
The thing is though that Pocahontas cannot be held accountable for almost being shot by a potential invader even if the only reason why she survived was him finding her attractive. There is no single decision that Smith would take for her as much as he would have loved it due to his controlling attitude. Whenever she needed to take time for herself - she did. She waited out, she analyzed and listened to her own heart and mind before taking decisions. There is also nothing anti-feminist in wanting protection or a stable partner around you as long as it is your conscious choice. Belle on the other hand did not choose to end up in Beast's castle, she was basically held hostage which is none of her fault obviously, however, she also willingly came back when she saw Beast being hurt, but she didn't establish her position about not wanting to be his prisoner anymore and basically subjected herself to possibly never seeing her father again if Beast doesn't let her.
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Swanpride picked Pocahontas:
Yes, but the movie makes a point of making clear that it is NOT okay, it makes a point of making clear that Belle's beauty is based on he character and not her looks, and it makes a point against the old gender roles....don't get me wrong, if Sleeping Beauty were still in the list this movie would never make it into the top three, but neither do I want Pocahontas there.
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maryksand picked La Belle et la Bête:
I agree that it was the premise of the movie, however, where the intention was to highlight Belle's independence and necessarity of recognizing her intelligence and valuing her for brains rather than looks, the story still goes in a direction where her beauty becomes an ultimate weapon against Beast's flaws and a motivation for him to start changing in order to measure up to her level. Had the pick been about princesses, I would definitely say that Belle is more feminist than Pocahontas, however, when it comes to their movies it felt like the story in Pocahontas supported the idea of female strength and advocated for the equality in a moreconvincing manner than BaTB.

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Popcornfan picked Raiponce:
I think BatB is quite feminist, because Belle and Beast have both great protagonism and importance in the argument of the story. It shows they are equal though not the same.
In Tangled, the fact that Rapunzel seeks Flynn's assistance is a negative point to "feminist movie". She wants to go after her dream and rebel, but under a masculine protection -it's not only guidance, before encountering the thugs, Flynn is clearly her "body guard". The scene where she hides from a rabbit is hillarious, but illustrates my point.
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BelleAnastasia picked Raiponce:
Still voting for this...basically same reasons as before.
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Swanpride picked Pocahontas:
@Popcornfan He is not her bodyguard (especially not since he is not particulary interested into protecting her, but into terrifying her back into the tower), and she is not interested in masculine protection (especially considering that she has been taught to fear men). He is just her guide, nothing less, nothing more - and if he were female, it wouldn't have changed anything in her plans, she would have used a female guide too. He just happens to be male.
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but that's the whole point. nothing is 'just happens', flynn was intentionally made male.
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Swanpride picked Pocahontas:
Yeah, because Tangled is still an adaption of a fairy tale with a love story. And Disney changed the "prince visits imprisoned girl and takes advantage of her innocence" aspect into "Rapunzel frees herself and discovers the world outside", so they improved the source text. With Pocahontas on the other hand, the love story is entirely made up!
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