It's just a cliche nowadays.

I don't want doormats either, but I just find the trope predictable already.

It's an overused trope. Nothing new, original or unexpected.

It's not overused- I want a /truly/ rebellious princess, like Esmeralda. Not like a Rapunzel, or Anna, or anyone like that.
And "rebellious" is not a trope.

^^^ This. We are getting another trope. Girls who are too frightened or mope around and become HIGHLY CRITICAL of ALL other people when their dreams don't materialize for them.

We already have a lot of rebellious heroines and rebellious teenagers are so fuckin annoying IRL (unless their parents have currupt rules)

I'm not sure I agree with that, 8804, but we don't really have a lot of rebellious princesses so I'm not sure where that is a trope. We have a lot of princesses who are stuck in a shell , whether physical or emotional, and then come out and ~branch out~ of their shell (Rapunzel, Anna, Elsa) but TRULY rebellious princesses? We have maybe Ariel and Jasmine, and Jasmine is a stretch. Mulan joined the army half out of duty to her father, and Pocahontas was "rebellious" a bit, to save her love. Ariel is the only one I would call truly rebellious.

I agree with the part about Ariel being the "truly rebellious princess." If you examine the dynamic between father and daughter, Triton is the only Disney parent who keeps reverting back to his own opinions, and who doesn't seem to be able to listen to his child's opinions. That is, at least, half of why the interaction between Ariel and Triton is so testy. And Ariel develops her rebelliousness mainly because her father won't listen to her, and only creates rules for her. She resents him for not listening to her.

As for the "highly-critical-of-other-people argument" that I raised... It seems to me that the last couple of DP movies ( starting with TPATF and continuing onward) have planted preachy lines in the mouths of their heroines, as if Disney was seeking to "correct" all of the DP movies preceding the moderns. The only problem is, in these new movies the DP can attack the opinions and dreams of secondary characters, and if feels like Disney is glorifying characters who act like jerks. B&B had a harsh critique of Adam, for him being so nasty. Now, nasty people seem to be the new iteration. I feel like some of this is extremely harsh, and a judgmental rebuke of the earlier DPs and princes who were deemed "too kind and naive," or whom some people believed were "flat characters." Disney critiquing itself has been hard to stomach for me. I've loved/liked all of the DPs, beginning with Snow all the way through Mulan. But I've had trouble loving the moderns for exactly this reason. The moderns feel like they are Disney "auto-correcting" itself, I guess, and I'm not sure that I like the new mantra.

^yes, I see what you mean about Disney criticizing its own past movies...while at the same time being more conservative then they were during the Disney Renaissance! And I also think that Disney is trying to create more "marketable" DPs (see all princesses after Tiana) rather than focusing on the story and creating the character with some relatability. No doubt all the princesses are marketable, but a princess like Pocahontas was not based off of marketability- how many young girls can relate to her??-- but rather fitting into the story.

^^^ Yeah. THOND would never have made it to the screen in this new, ultra-conservative Disney climate! There was a time when care was taken to create both the story and the characters. Now, like you've said, it's a mad-dash race to shove a new DP out for marketability purposes alone. I think Disney is not bothering to tell a full story anymore, and seems content with a half-done and rushed job. Oh, well. At least we have the Classics from Walt and the Renaissance to enjoy. lol.

I'm getting tired of "badass"

"link" is in fact a trope, and I think that's what mongoose meant. and it's definitely overdone. the DPs have a whole tab to themselves.

the whole "follow your heart and do whatever you want even if it means breaking perfectly sensible rules" has gotten crazy and it's not a great message to teach kids. I agree with uploaded, rebellious, self-concerned PEOPLE are bad enough, but teenages like that are even worse. why encourage kids to be that way?

Why not have a female Wasabi who LIKES having rules and not rebelling? (the closest is Tiana, but curiously, unlike Cinderella or Snow, nobody condemns her for doing things the proper way and not fighting for women's rights or whatever. I guess the fact that it's unusual for a black woman in that day to be so ambitious is enough for people, but it still seems hypocritical to me.) It doesn't even need to be that extreme, just one who simply ISN'T a rule breaker or parent-defyer whatever for once. it's boring by this point.