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Princesses Disney For which of these traits would toi not like Mulan

31 fans picked:
under-confident of her abilities
   39%
would have gotten married for tradition - not for l’amour
   26%
Others (please specify)
   26%
Disobeys family rituals
   6%
unsure of her role
   3%
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anukriti2409 picked would have gotten married for tradition - not for l’amour:
i can't understand someone who can marry because that's what is expected of them, whether they have their heart in i or not.
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wavesurf picked under-confident of her abilities:
If she'd acted like Elsa did, and gone home after Shang told her she was unfit to be a soldier, it would have diminished her in my eyes. But she toughed it out, instead. :D
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Diazdiaz95 picked Others (please specify):
Nothing really bother me about her except that she sometimes doesn't speak up for herself, like at the Matchmaker's. She could have easily solved the situation but she just made it worse, although it was funny. I think sometimes she makes things more difficult for herself.
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AudreyFreak picked Others (please specify):
most of these aren't bad either. I'm surprised the marriage thing got mentioned though- nobody ever points this out about her or calls her 'passive' for it like the do other characters.

I think if anything her lack of flaws despite the movie telling us she's grown now is what I don't like.
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sweetie-94 picked under-confident of her abilities:
That's why she's in my bottom 3 favorite Disney Princesses
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MalloMar picked Others (please specify):
What sort of bothers me is it seems Mulan never prepares for anything ahead of time.
She could have simply memorized the Final Admonition. Not to mention, she could have at the very least thought of a man's name to dub herself sometime between leaving home to entering the camp.
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laylastepford picked Disobeys family rituals:
With her impulsiveness, outspokenness and cheating. I don't like the scenes where she disrespects her father, both publicly and privately. I also don't like the scene where she clearly cheats for the test but I love that her mother tries to make her wash it off. I am mixed Asian and I have high values for honor and respect and I didn't like the Americanization of Mulan that I could see for myself, though I am not of Chinese culture specifically. I don't see "under-confident of her abilities" as a flaw as she was humble and it was part of her maturing. Similar with "unsure of her role" because she knew her role but she was just unsure if she could fulfill it. I find "would have gotten married for tradition - not for love" to be offensive as an option since it's really about difference of culture. Arranged marriages have a very high success rate and lots of people in arranged marriages are very in love and thankful that they were arranged for the right reasons instead of themselves picking for the wrong reasons. I am not saying this is true for every arranged marriage but it is true for a lot so this option disrespects them.
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anukriti2409 picked would have gotten married for tradition - not for l’amour:
@laylastepford:
Coming from Asian culture through and through, "disrespecting family rituals" are often confused with "speaking up your mind", esp in case of woman. Which i think is very disrespectful to woman as an individual that they should never speak up their mind, not for good of others and not for themselves. They should stay indoors, covered up. I can somewhat say that she could have spoken to him privately and expressed her concerns but sometimes love and care for our loved ones overwhelms us.
Let me tell you that while arranged marriages have been successful coz divorce wasn't an option and a divorced woman was a huge taboo in society. Woman thought of tolerating their partners much more than tolerating acutely abusive society over your marital status. Having said that i don't believe that arrange marriages are all bad and love marriages are all good. The problem here is of not having a choice or a say. One should not force/pressurize anyone into a specific career, a lifestyle, marriage, kids, divorce. They should be very much an individual's own choice. Not everyone thinks about these things in same way. Not every girl gets ready to marry at age of 25, exact. Some feel stable about it at 18, some at 30, some never. What i meant to say was one should not marry out of expectations, but should do so when they feel its right thing to do for them
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laylastepford picked Disobeys family rituals:
anukriti2409: I know exactly what Asian culture entails and I will repeat, I have a high respect for it (especially Japanese culture in particular) and I greatly value the tradition of honor and respect. I never said it was perfect and I don't know of any culture that is perfect. I think it was incredibly disrespectful and shameful of Mulan to embarrass her father the way she did and I did not like it.

Let me tell you that not all arranged marriages are denied divorce. Lots of arranged marriages are optional where no one is being forced into anything they don't want.

"In today’s society, arranged marriages are looked down upon because, as many argue, not having the right to choose one’s partner is cruel. People of the West reason that only the person who is to marry can decide whom s/he wishes to spend the rest of his/her life with, which leads to a successful marriage. On the other hand, people of South Asia and the Middle East claim that the elders of the family have the final say over the marriage for they have seen the world and know that a successful marriage is not just a uniting of two people, but of two families....Arranged marriages, whether arranged-love marriage or pure-arranged marriage, are based on principles of success.... When parents arrange the marriage of their children, they make sure that the families will be able to get along quite well, by making sure that the families have relatively the same expectations of the couple, so that neither husband nor wife feels burdened to please either set of parents. Compatibility comprises of a few subcategories: caste, economic status, social status, education, family reputation, interests and the man and woman’s expectations. Families try to make sure that these subcategories are quite similar so that the couple does not have meaningless arguments." (link By Sarosh Abrar)

"He has interviewed more than 100 couples in arranged marriages to assess their strength of feeling and studied his findings against more than 30 years of research into love in Western and arranged marriages. His work suggests that feelings of love in love matches begin to fade by as much as a half in 18 months, whereas the love in the arranged marriages tends to grow gradually, surpassing the love in the unarranged marriages at about the five-year mark. Ten years on, the affection felt by those in arranged marriages is typically twice as strong." (link)
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anukriti2409 picked would have gotten married for tradition - not for l’amour:
I never said elders shouldn't have a say, in fact a younger person deciding on marrying someone solely on their own accord is foolish coz they should at least talk to people of experience and what they have to say about it. I'm again saying, "forcing/pressurizing" - Mulan's parents didn't do either of it and gave her space when she failed at matchmaker. It was so beautiful to see that. But many a times, this understanding is difficult to reach as one out of them claims to know better than the other - either parents say they have better knowledge and experience therefore their choices are best, or younger one says it is my life and my heart, so i know myself best." Both these cases can be detrimental to the success of marriage as in this case each is trying to prove WHO is right rather than trying to see WHAT is right.
Even though, i have myself gone in love marriage but i did make him meet my parents and sought their approval. I'm sure i'd have been open to listen to their apprehensions - about different financial status, different sub-cultural background. But having said that 'd have also tried to make them see how he's better than others and i'll be able to deal with adjustments when required out of love and respect. Eventually, i do believe at the last, it should be left to the person getting married, to take the final call - coz success and failure would depend on how much they worked on their relationship and no-one else should be blamed/credited for either except the people married together.
Yes, we see the influence of America in India as well. A lot of youngsters don't want to listen at all, out of rigidity and misplaced concept of love marriages being better than arrange marriages. Whether arranged or love, it should not be forced/expected/pressurized at the end of the day.
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laylastepford picked Disobeys family rituals:
It's your opinion that it was so beautiful to see Mulan's parents give her space after the matchmaker. It is my opinion that it was disrespectful to embarrass and humiliate her father in front of her whole town by speaking for him and emasculating him. He was a grown man who chose to fulfill his role and duty and she took that away from him because she was not respectful of how she was brought up. She should not have spoken to/for her father like that in public. I don't like that she did that and I don't think it was proper.

Both cases you described can be detrimental but that doesn't mean that they always are.

No one is saying the person getting married can't or shouldn't have the final call so I don't know why you keep bringing that up as though we disagree? I am simply saying "accepting an arranged marriage" overall, or as the option you gave said "would have gotten married for tradition - not for love ", should not be seen as a "flaw" in someone because it is their choice and that is a difference of culture, not a flaw. It is exactly reasons like this why I am always hesitant towards Disney making a non-Caucasian princess. Some people will see cultural differences as flaws instead of respecting them.
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scarletunicorn picked Others (please specify):
I just find her a little boring.
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3xZ picked Others (please specify):
Adore Shang too obviously.
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anukriti2409 picked would have gotten married for tradition - not for l’amour:
I didnt see mulan ever excited about getting married. She did it out of respect to her family honor. So if it was her choice, why wasnt she happy about it? I am a non caucasian person, n i do see it as flaw, irrespective of disney's motive. I dont like the fact that she couldnt say to her parents that i dont feel comfortable getting married this way coz she clearly was, she was just trying to desperately work it somehow to not humiliate her family.
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laylastepford picked Disobeys family rituals:
anukriti2409: I am mixed Caucasian and non-Caucasian and I don't see it as a flaw. I see it as a cultural difference that has a high success rate. Since she humiliated her father in front of the town square as well as spoke out of turn at the table and told him exactly how she felt about him going off to war, she could've easily done the same about the marriage had she felt that passionately about it. I don't think she was excited about getting married but I don't think she was depressed about it either. She seemed far more concerned with her father going back to war than whether or not she was getting married. I understand that it is your opinion that no one should be forced into an arranged marriage and I absolutely see where you are coming from. I just also see the other side of a time honored tradition that has served a culture well by producing marriages based on respect rather than flighty temporary feelings. I respect both cultures.
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AdelitaI picked Others (please specify):
She is self-hating, too forgiving and a doormat. I dislike her admiration of Shang( which he doesn't deserve IMO).

I don't dislike any of traits that were mentioned. Not all traditions deserve to exist. Her willingness to become a part of arranged marriage isn't flaw, it's admirable selflessness. I prefer Mulan than princess Mei from the sequel( most annoying Disney female ever to me).

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AudreyFreak picked Others (please specify):
Nothing's wrong with her, I just find her unengaging.
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