Princesses Disney Most Feminist DP Movie Countdown! jour 1: Pick the LEAST Feminist! (Elimination based on comments)

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32 fans picked:
Blanche Neige et les Sept Nains
   31%
Cendrillon
   25%
La Belle au Bois Dormant
   19%
Aladin
   19%
La Belle et la Bête
   3%
Mulan
   3%
La Petite Sirène
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Pocahontas
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Princess and the Frog
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Raiponce
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Jessikaroo picked Aladin:
As with the other countdowns, please try to remove your bias!

It's a bit of a shock for me to vote out Aladdin so soon, as it's my favourite DP movie. But I think it's the least feminist movie because it tries so hard, yet it fails so miserably. There's only one female in the movie, not counting the scantily clad dancers/harem girls. And this one female is kind of a hypocrite. She's very vocal about not being a prize, yet she ends up being that (unintentionally) as Aladdin does subconsciously treat her like a prize to be won (at least for the majority of the movie). Jasmine appears to only be valued for her marriageability by her father, her suitors and Jafar. There's very little, if any, gender equality in this movie, in my personal opinion any way.
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DsnyPrincess picked Cendrillon:
Hhmmm I'm not sure why it just strikes me as least feminist
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rhythmicmagic picked Aladin:
Aladdin does everything in the movie without much help from anyone, let alone Jasmine. In most of the other films, the princess is at least active in the plot and plays a role in the plans. The only other ones I can think of are Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, and in both of those the princess is physically unable to do anything at the climax. Jasmine claims "I am not a prize to be won," but has to be saved by Aladdin numerous times. She is really one of the biggest damsels in distress of the princesses, if not the biggest.
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princesslullaby picked Blanche Neige et les Sept Nains:
What I do first is analyze if each movie passes the Bechdel test, which is pretty important in a feminist countdown.
The Bechdel Test is to test each movie to see if 1) It has to have at least two [named] women in it 2) Who talk to each other 3) About something besides a man. (and who aren't at opposing ends)
Often times in films the women will only serve to either fight over a man or discuss men.

The movies that pass: Pocahontas, Cinderella, **Mulan**, Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Tangled, The Princess and the Frog, **Beauty and the Beast** (all just barely)

The movies that don't pass: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, **Beauty and the Beast**, Aladdin, **Mulan** reasons why: Snow White only discusses wishing about her Prince coming with the Queen. All discussions between Belle and the female objects have to do either with The Beast or alluding to him-- for example, when Belle is talking about giving up her freedom, it's brief, and although it doesn't name him specificaly, is talking about HIM imprisoning her. Belle and Mrs. Potts do chat, and it's entirely focused on her predicament, brought on by the beast, and the merits of her having dinner...with the Beast. But, since he is not directly addressed, we can sort of say it passes the Bechdel test-- sort of. Kind of. It's not really clear. Thirdly, Jasmine doesn't even talk to any female characters at all.Mulan has a brief conversation with her mother that doesn't have to do with men, although it really does--- her mom is concerned about her being late for the matchmaker. However, Mulan also talks with her grandmother and the grandmother and Fa Li also talk with each other as well. But actually you might put Mulan on the same wavelength as Beauty and the Beast-- there are discussions about other things besides men, but they all alude back to the men. .

So while I wouldn't rely heavily on the Bechdel test, I'd take it into consideration. Got my information here: link

Another thing I'd take into consideration is movies where the females are at opposing ends. From the films that pass the Bechdel test, here are the movies where females are and aren't at opposition to each other:

ARE NOT at opposition: The Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty,, Pocahontas, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Beauty and the Beast
ARE at opposition: Tangled, The Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, Princess and the Frog*** Cinderella,

and Underline denotes a movie where there are two females at opposition AND two females that aren't.
a Bold denotes a movie where it passes the bechdel test, but the females are at opposition to each other
and Plain Text denotes a movie where there are no females at opposition to each other.
***In PATF, technically, Lottie & Tiana are at opposite forces to each other so it can be included in the underlined section.

In terms of giving females a strong voice, Pocahontas passes the best. And then I'd say Princess and the Frog, because Tiana discusses things besides men with Mama Odie.



Now that that's out of the way, yeah, my vote's gonna go with Snow White. I can't think of one single feminist thing about it.
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Swanpride picked Cendrillon:
Eh...I just wrote and posted a whole article with my list and my reasoning...Aladdin and Cinderella are both everything but feminist (even though Cinderella does pass the Bechtel test, the movie very much reinforced typical gender role in a way, no other DP movie does, not even Snow White - which, btw, would pass, in my eyes, because Snow White first talks about the seven draves with the disguised Queen, and about baking, the prince isn't even mentioned before Snow White tells her wish - and she tells it to the apple, not to the Queen).
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AllegroGiocoso picked Aladin:
This is hard...but I basically agree with Jessikaroo. Then would be Cinderella or Snow White.
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BelleAnastasia picked Cendrillon:
I agree with Swanpride this time. In Cinderella the gender roles are well defined and there is no room for improvement or change.
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milky-way picked Blanche Neige et les Sept Nains:
This or Cinderella I guess... but Snow White is always stuck in the typical female gender role, and the dwarfs value her for her cooking and cleaning skills. Even the villain's main problem with her is based on beauty and vanity.
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