Arthur et Gwen Re-watching Merlin 2x08 -

HumbleQueen posted on Aug 03, 2013 at 04:34PM
Welcome back to our Merlin re-watch. We have all had the opportunity to re-watch series 1 with a whole new perspective. We saw how the characters were at the beginning and the journeys they all faced in series 1. Now it is time to continue our journey and re-watch series 2 and see how our perspectives might change seeing as we know how the story ends. (Thanks to the folks over at tvdotcom for ideas we've borrowed from them.)


Moderators for Season 2:
Ellarose88
HumbleQueen
Sportyshuie

[others...]

Rules are as follows:

I. We are getting started with 2x01 on Saturday, June 15, 2013 and a new forum will be opened every following Saturday. Moderators will post following the order in the list above to open threads and we’ll be watching the episodes in sequence. We will then be watching the last episode of Season 2 (2x13) on the week beginning September 7th.

II. Every moderator opening a re-watching thread should copy and paste the information in this entry (Introduction, List of moderators and Rules) at the top. That way, keeping track of the turns and our progress will be easier and also having the rules at hand will be useful for those who may have decided to join us part way through.

III. Everyone opening a re-watching thread is responsible for reminding the next person in the list to do the same the following Saturday (sending a pm on Friday should do it).

IV. Anyone not being able to open a thread on a particular Saturday can swap turns with the next person in the list (or anyone else) as long as they keep track of their respective turns.

V. People taking part can jump in with comments, but just because you watch and comment on a particular episode does not mean it’s compulsory to watch every single episode to be a part of this re-watching.


VI. Anyone is most welcome to join at any time. Also, new moderators will be added to the list when we get them.

VII. If you don’t have dvd’s or subscribe to Netflix or Amazon Prime, the first four seasons are available free (with ads) on hulu: link

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VIII. Constructive criticism of characters/actors is always in order, but please no bashing.

IX. Let’s have fun down memory lane. Be inspired to do fanfics, fanvids, and fanart.

X. Each week the moderator will post questions/headings and suggestions for people to discuss about the episode, the plot, the characters and relationships. Don't feel pressured to answer every question/headings, answer the questions you want. Feel free to add anything about the episode, even if it isn't mentioned. It's more than welcomed!

Now let's continue our re-watch of Series 2 with The Sins of the Father...
 Welcome back to our Merlin re-watch. We have all had the opportunity to re-watch series 1 with a whol
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il y a plus d’un an HumbleQueen said…
So we are introduced to Morgause, who will have a major impact, for a good long time, on Camelot, Uther, Merlin, Gaius, Gwen, and most of all, Morgana. The relationship between Arthur and his father is center stage. Morgana takes another huge step in her journey to the dark side. Only she’s not aware of it yet. She’s not aware of how much this woman, whom we meet here, is going to affect her future.

Here are the questions/headings and suggestions for discussions:

+ Best moment(s):
+ Worst moment(s):
+ Favourite quote(s):
+ Your thoughts on the villain of the week:
+ Best character development:
+ Best duo development:
+ Your thoughts on the plot progression and conclusion:
+ Anything else:

Things you might discuss:

+ Please give your thoughts on what you thought of the initial relationship of Morgana and Morgause. Do you think there was a strong bond from the beginning?

+ Any plot holes? Maybe it’s just me, but do you think that was reasonable that a person would come uninvited to the castle during a knighting ceremony, kill several knights, challenge the prince, and then be given a nice room to stay in? I mean, other than Gaius who in the world knew who she was or what she was up to? I don’t know, that didn’t fit IMO. But of course, they had to have the thing with her and Morgana, sooo that’s how they did it.

+What did you think of the scene with Arthur and his mother? Did you like her? Did she seem motherly? Did you feel at all like I did that he should have been more suspicious? Didn’t she say too much, too quickly? What part of what she said was not true? I forget. I know most of it was, right?

+ The Arthur/Uther confrontation: One of the best acted scenes in Merlin ever (next to Arthur/Gwen 4.09). Want to discuss how you felt about the whole scene?

So there are the headings and suggestions for you to discuss after you watch the episode. Like it says in the post, you don't have to use all the headings or suggestions, feel free to discuss anything about the episode.

Have fun!
MISAforever commented…
Can't wait to do this! Great episode! il y a plus d’un an
il y a plus d’un an MISAforever said…
+ Best moment(s):
When Arthur saw his mother. I just love the expression on his face and all that it means to him. Also, I loved when he confronted Uther about it.

+ Worst moment(s):
Well, I felt really bad for Arthur when he was feeling all miserable and embarassed by being beaten by a girl. However, I wouldn't say it was the worst moment.

+ Favourite quote(s):
Arthur: This is what fuels your hatred for those who practise magic. Rather than blame yourself for what you did, you blame them.
(...)Arthur: You have hunted her kind like animals! How many hundreds have you condemned to death to ease your guilt?
Uther: Those who practise magic will stop at nothing to destroy us. I have only done what is necessary to protect this kingdom!
Arthur: You speak of honour and nobility. You are nothing but a hypocrite and a liar!

Uther: I swear on my life. I loved your mother. There isn't a day that passes that I don't wish she were still alive. I could never have done anything to hurt her. My son. You mean more to me than anything.


+ Your thoughts on the villain of the week:
Morgause was a decent villian. My opinion of her is divided. Sometimes I like her, sometimes I don't. Here she gave us an opportunity to see emotional side of Arthur and Uther and I absolutely loved it!

+ Best character development:
Arthur. He had a soft spot for his mother and Morgause took advantage of it. But what I loved is that he showed that his attitude towards magic wasn't as strickt as Uther's. And that he had courage to stand against him and defend his mother's honour. He spoke the truth and he was sooo on point. I thought that was amazing!! His acting was phenomenal!!

+ Best duo development:
Arthur and Uther. They spent their whole life saying nothing on that matter. Now, Morgause has made them talk. Almost as if she weren't the villian. That conversation bonded them.

+ Your thoughts on the plot progression and conclusion:
I liked this episode. It was dynamic and interesting.


+ Please give your thoughts on what you thought of the initial relationship of Morgana and Morgause. Do you think there was a strong bond from the beginning?
-->Yes, of course. Morgause knew she was her sister and therefore acted like that. Morgana didn't know, but I believe she felt something. And even if she didn't, Morgause helped her with her worst problem: nightmares. So she felt grateful. But there was defintely strong bond. Like the one with Mordred.

+ Any plot holes? Maybe it’s just me, but do you think that was reasonable that a person would come uninvited to the castle during a knighting ceremony, kill several knights, challenge the prince, and then be given a nice room to stay in? I mean, other than Gaius who in the world knew who she was or what she was up to? I don’t know, that didn’t fit IMO. But of course, they had to have the thing with her and Morgana, sooo that’s how they did it.
-->That was an absolute plot hole. It didn't make any sense at all. Even more than that, it was ridiculously stupid. I think it medieval RL, that person would lose his head in a matter of seconds. They certainly wouldn't be given a nice cosy room. Other than that, I don't think there were many other big plot holes.

+What did you think of the scene with Arthur and his mother? Did you like her? Did she seem motherly? Did you feel at all like I did that he should have been more suspicious? Didn’t she say too much, too quickly? What part of what she said was not true? I forget. I know most of it was, right?
---> I am conficted about this scene. I liked his mom. I wish we saw more of their relationship ( which was impossible, I know). He should have been more suspicious. But when you grow up with so many unanswered questions, at some point you won't care what sources you use, as long as you find something out. She gave him that chance and he gladly took it. But we don't know was that really Ygraine or only Morgause's "projection" that used her words. I like to believe it was really Ygraine. But on the other hand, I do not believe she would have said those things, or in that way. She most likely loved Uther, as much as he did her. And to have only one opportunity to talk to her son and to only mire Uther, it didn't make much sense. Even though she told him the truth about his birth ( that he was born of magic) she lied saying that Uther knew the cost of it. Maybe, the real Ygraine really believed that in the end. We will never know.

+ The Arthur/Uther confrontation: One of the best acted scenes in Merlin ever (next to Arthur/Gwen 4.09). Want to discuss how you felt about the whole scene?
-->I agree, it was one of the best acted scenes and that is why it is one of my favorites. It is so deep on so many levels.
This is what i found on tv.com :
"According to Bradley James, the crew was really understanding of his need to go away, be on his own and get ready for the emotional scene with Anthony Head.
Anthony Head got emotional at the end of the fighting scene between Uther and Arthur."
I would die to see BTS!!!
Back to discussion: Arthur came in without any hesitation. He was so angry at Uther. Uther, on the other hand, still tried to convice Arthur that it was all a lie. But Arthur didn't believe him. He showed he was more mature here than in some scenes in the later seasons. He got to the core of the problem, Uther's guilt and consequent tyranny. He was ready to kill him; which he would regret his whole life. Merlin knew this of course, so he stopped him. What I thought was interesting is that Uther didn't deny that he used magic and that Arthur wasn't born of it. He only said that he could never have done anything to hurt her. That is why I believe that Arthur knew the truth. The real truth about his birth. My favorite detail about that scene is when Uther kissed Arthur in the head and told him that he meant more to him than anything. It was a beautiful moment.
 + Best moment(s): When Arthur saw his mother. I just l’amour the expression on his face and all that i
HumbleQueen commented…
Joppa, I really do appreciate the comprehensive réponses toi give. Thanks for that info from tv.com. I never read that! Glad toi agreed about the plot hole. This episode had a few pluses but a few minuses as well. il y a plus d’un an